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"JCE isn't interested in how the sausage is made. He just wants to eat the sausage"


Well if the "sausage" is young black males being shot by cops at a disproportionate rate to their population size... Then aren't SJWs the ones that don't care about the unpleasant details that produce that "sausage"?

jtdenny just listed out the unpleasant details of the process, but SJWs don't care about anything that has to do with "personal responsibility"... They just want to virtue-signal and complain about "oppression" that doesn't exist.

9/12/2016 12:54:00 PM

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Alright I hate to go down this road but I'm going to anyways

JCE - you feel that blacks are not being treated unfairly by the justice system, with the justification that their higher incarceration rates are a result of simply committing more crime. Is it your argument that black people are genetically predisposed to committing crime?

9/12/2016 1:46:17 PM

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I mean that his to be it. Blacks must be predisposed to laziness and crime if other factors aren't at play like poverty, discrimination, institutionalized racism, etc.

9/12/2016 1:55:09 PM

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but...I thought it wasn't about race, it was about poor people. I can't keep up with his mental gymnastics.

9/12/2016 2:59:39 PM

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^^The racism of low expectations comes from the left exclusively. Black people just must be genetically wired to not be capable of having IDs, right? That's the logic required for the "voter ID laws are racist" complaint.

^^^ I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics. That would be the literal definition of racism. I believe it results from welfare encouraging government dependence and fatherless households. Kaepernick's black father abandoned him, he of all people should be able to see the actual problem. When we incentivize dependence over personal responsibility, that's the result. That's the real victimization of blacks. To believe the narrative that black men are getting shot because cops are racist is just stupid... But it's easier to virtue signal than it is to discuss the unpleasantries of how the sausage is made.

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 3:02 PM. Reason : ^^]

9/12/2016 3:00:57 PM

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since you said that racism used to exist, can you give us the date it stopped?

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 3:02 PM. Reason : approximate is fine]

9/12/2016 3:01:53 PM

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Wouldn't the welfare system affect all people equally, thus the crime rates for all races would be equal?

And why do you think black fathers are abandoning their kids at a higher rate than other races?

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 3:09 PM. Reason : asdf]

9/12/2016 3:09:02 PM

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in the 60's, the gubment told white people that black people were equal and the white people immediately complied because the gubment said to.

9/12/2016 3:10:26 PM

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^^fair points.

I'm waiting for JCE just to come out and admit his true thoughts. IF he seriously tries to answer those, there really won't be any way around it.

9/12/2016 3:13:49 PM

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The percentage of black children in a single parent household was ~18% in 1950. Now it's over 70%.

One of the best (if not the best) indicator for a child's future, is the number of parents in the home.

So unless the liberals are claiming "Oppression" has gotten worse since 1950, you have to acknowledge that this disparity (that accounts for the vast majority of other disparities) is not based on racism in 2016.

9/12/2016 3:16:08 PM

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so, the income of the parents has nothing to do with it? it just matters that dad is around?

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 3:18 PM. Reason : answer the fucking question and stop dodging ]

9/12/2016 3:17:54 PM

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I asked WHY black parents are abandoning their kids at higher rates, not what the rates are.

And I also asked why the "welfare state" hasn't affected all races equally

9/12/2016 3:20:08 PM

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^refer to wealth distribution by race

9/12/2016 3:21:13 PM

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^^^^ so does that non-answer mean that you think racism ended by 1960?


you've stated that there used to be racism and systematic oppression in the past, so when did it end?

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 3:27 PM. Reason : ^]

9/12/2016 3:26:44 PM

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You're dodging multiple questions JCE.

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"The percentage of black children in a single parent household was ~18% in 1950. Now it's over 70%."


And why do you think that is?

9/12/2016 3:28:13 PM

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sarcastic answer (including the acronym SJW) from JCE in 3.....2.....1.....

9/12/2016 3:33:36 PM

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So here is what we know so far:


1950 --------------------------------------------------------------- 2016
Racism Not Racism


when does racism end and not racism begin? approximate date is fine.

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 3:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2016 3:47:36 PM

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How many times can you ask a troll the same question

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 3:54 PM. Reason : and still expect an answer?]

9/12/2016 3:54:33 PM

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just trying to catch the bot in a logic loop so it can error out.

9/12/2016 3:57:48 PM

dtownral
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Hey JCE2011 what is your post count divided by zero?

9/12/2016 4:00:53 PM

afripino
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easy... # of posts / 0 = SJW false narrative liberal media echo chamber triggering

9/12/2016 4:29:28 PM

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"I asked WHY black parents are abandoning their kids at higher rates, not what the rates are.

And I also asked why the "welfare state" hasn't affected all races equally"


I can only speculate. I would say lingering wealth disparity (for welfare) different cultures, different choices, other factors. The facts are the facts. My only point was that those stats are driven by choice, not oppression. Just like Kaepernick's biological father.

I realize though, this is a bait question from the SJWs that think anyone who disagrees with their narrative is a racist. If you guys could abandon your strategy of "frame them as racist", just for 1 second, you could actually discuss this topic seriously.

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"since you said that racism used to exist, can you give us the date it stopped?"


I said what? Where's the quote then?

Liberals rely on the vagueness of the word "racism" and I prefer to deal in specifics. I'm saying for the context of this Kaepernick situation, the context of black men being shot by cops, that isn't due to "oppression" or cops "being racist". If you're trying to strawman up a vague blanket statement "All racism magically ended in 1964" I won't bite. Past racism, even a lingering wealth disparity from it, does not mean it's "oppression" when you have consequences from bad decisions.

9/12/2016 4:29:44 PM

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hahaha, holy shit you can't answer it

9/12/2016 4:33:11 PM

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ok...so when did this wealth disparity start?

^it's like it doesn't even know the question ever existed. amazing technology.

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]

9/12/2016 4:34:58 PM

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"lingering wealth disparity (for welfare)"


Due to what?

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"different cultures, different choices"


So black people as a whole make worse choices that other races?

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"other factors"


Please go on

9/12/2016 4:37:32 PM

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A lingering wealth disparity from historic racism. Which is entirely different from saying its a racist cop in 2016

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"hahaha, holy shit you can't answer it"


What kind of racism? Racist laws/policies? Personal racism? Your question is not only based on a quote I never said, it's also vague.

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 5:04 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2016 4:57:59 PM

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when did that specific kind of racism that you are referencing stop?

9/12/2016 5:01:45 PM

afripino
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Let's dial back the difficulty level to EASY mode.

Fill in the blank...

Cops stopped committing racist acts against black people in the year _____.

9/12/2016 5:04:05 PM

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[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2016 5:07:35 PM

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"Statistics from 1998 show that there were wide racial disparities in arrests, prosecutions, sentencing and deaths. African-American drug users made up for 35% of drug arrests, 55% of convictions, and 74% of people sent to prison for drug possession crimes.[61] Nationwide African-Americans were sent to state prisons for drug offenses 13 times more often than other races,[67] even though they only supposedly comprised 13% of regular drug users"


I mean yeah it's a lot more than cops. Cops just police the highest populated areas. Cops shouldn't really be the target.

9/12/2016 5:17:29 PM

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gotta start somewhere

9/12/2016 5:25:23 PM

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So if statistics tell you that X causes Y, and you claim you really care about stopping Y, why would you be so adamantly opposed to the discussion of X?

It's really that simple. SJWs just want to virtue signal, the media just wants outrage, the politicians just want victimhood, dependence and division. If you mention the actual problems, you're a racist. If you insult all cops and worsen cop/minority relations, you're a civil rights hero.

9/12/2016 5:44:29 PM

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Alright let's agree that cops are pawns in a MASSIVE criminal justice system that is extremely racist. The police represent the system but are by no means THE entire system.

Also, I assume we're looking at the same chart, single mother white families as went from practically 0% to 36% in the same time. Statistically a much larger jump.

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 6:23 PM. Reason : Y a dig]

9/12/2016 6:19:34 PM

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^^when did the historic racism end, the specific kind that you were referring to in your post above

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 6:20 PM. Reason : ^]

9/12/2016 6:19:55 PM

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JCE dodging questions like

9/12/2016 7:57:17 PM

UJustWait84
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this page is hilarious

JCEbot needs a firmware update. As for the myth of the absent black father, here you go, JCE bot:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/dec/20/local/la-me-black-dads-20131221

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/06/14/the-new-american-father/

9/12/2016 8:55:00 PM

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The CDC....typical liberal SJW echo chamber

9/12/2016 9:27:17 PM

UJustWait84
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clickbait propaganda, bruh

9/12/2016 10:15:12 PM

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"Although the survey showed that black fathers not living at home are as involved with their children as fathers of other races in similar situations, the higher percentage of black dads absent from the home could drag down the average involvement for all black fathers, other researchers pointed out."


From your own source. Did you even read it?

Like I said, X causes Y, and the statistics are there. The fact that you refer to X as a "myth" is just deliberate ignorance, something that is required to actually believe the media's race war narratives. Over 70% is a staggering statistic, anyone with common sense can see that is "how the sausage is made"... and it has everything to do with choice and nothing to do with "oppression". The black family structure was better during segregation (actual oppression) than it is now... So good luck blaming that of "racist society" SJWs.

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"when did that specific kind of racism that you are referencing stop?"


1968

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

9/13/2016 3:31:01 PM

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Please explain what X and Y are, and proof that X causes Y, because apparently I missed the part where you lay that out

9/13/2016 3:38:47 PM

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racism ended in 1968

9/13/2016 3:39:25 PM

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"I believe it results from welfare encouraging government dependence and fatherless households."


Please cite scientific studies that show direct causation between whatever it is that X and Y are supposed to mean. A cherry picked quote out of context doesn't constitute proof btw. So far, your 'belief' is just your own personal opinion with no verifiable scientific backing.

9/13/2016 3:50:45 PM

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^^Thats all you got? I assumed you actually had an argument.

Classic SJW tactic. Use term "racism" as vaguely as possible, then strawman up a "racism doesn't exist strawman".

Legally, I don't see any racist policies or laws post 1968, but hey, someone somewhere is racist so our narrative lives on through anecdote and media!

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 3:51 PM. Reason : .]

9/13/2016 3:51:16 PM

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"Legally, I don't see any racist policies or laws post 1968"


LOL

9/13/2016 3:53:34 PM

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Well by SJW definition every law is racist because anything with disparate impact is victimhood.

The question "when did the vague, undefined, concept of racism magically end" is SJW stupidity. A better question would be, specifically, when was discrimination made illegal? I think 1968 was the civil rights act and one of the last steps taken?

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"Please explain what X and Y are, and proof that X causes Y, because apparently I missed the part where you lay that out"


X was single parent household, and Y was just about every negative factor you can think of (poverty, crime, etc)

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 4:09 PM. Reason : .]

9/13/2016 4:06:54 PM

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"X was single parent household, and Y was just about every negative factor you can think of (poverty, crime, etc)"


I must have missed that day in Algebra class when X and Y were defined this way

9/13/2016 4:23:10 PM

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OK, now that we have X and Y, is it also your belief that black people have a higher rate of X than other races?

9/13/2016 4:28:31 PM

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^^I must have missed the day when a SJW was capable of defending the narrative the media tells them.

^ This isn't what I "believe" it's what the statistics say. I'm just an advocate of reality in the TWW SJW echo chamber of TSB2

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 4:30 PM. Reason : .]

9/13/2016 4:28:33 PM

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and why do you think that is?

9/13/2016 5:33:14 PM

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1968 was the year racism ended

9/13/2016 8:03:39 PM

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