that post is such a mess that i'm just going to leave it alone

9/22/2016 11:20:20 AM

https://www.facebook.com/FreeHugsProject/videos/1145890662139468/

People are so angry, they feel their government is ignoring them, they have no recourse,I don't understand why political leaders aren't directly engaging the citizenry.

Get on a mega phone and have an actual dialog, show some courage.

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 11:23 AM. Reason : ]

9/22/2016 11:22:48 AM

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"You have an economy in the dumpster"

This simply isn't true. 2015 was a good year across the board but especially for the bottom half of the country. It's reflected in near Reagan level approval ratings for a second-term president.

Yes, rural areas didn't get the same benefit even in 2015 but you're falling for the same "economic anxiety" bullshit that explains away that a large portion of his support is for much different reasons.

9/22/2016 11:23:00 AM

^ here, read this thread, no I'm not summarizing, you're an adult and possess the ability to read if you received a degree from North Carolina State University

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=647967

9/22/2016 11:35:59 AM

Whites predominantly support Trump because they are afraid of the changing demographics and the inevitable loss of their "white culture." It has nothing to do with economics.

9/22/2016 11:37:17 AM

https://www.facebook.com/WRALTV/photos/a.74362957177.101011.14827657177/10155351347267178/?type=3

Video doesn't show Scott threatening police with weapon. It doesn't make sense some guy minding his own business waiting at a bus stop, who hasn't shot someone in his first 40 years of life would decide he suddenly wants to shoot a cop. There's barely a few dozen cops shot every year as it is.

9/22/2016 11:38:40 AM

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html

9/22/2016 11:41:44 AM

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"But last night showed me the cultural/race war is here and if elections were today I think I'd vote for Trump. These savages destroyed our city and our leaders are pathetic. They didn't call the Gov. until 11:30pm to ask for the National Guard. "

Jesus Christ, get over it. 'Riots' like these have been happening in cities across the country for years and somehow people survive. It only hits a nerve for you because it happened in YOUR town, but otherwise you'd watch it on the news like everyone else, not give two shits, and move about your business. If anything, these things need to happen more often in other cities so people wake the fuck up and actually try to do something about it.

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 11:46 AM. Reason : .]

9/22/2016 11:45:57 AM

Fuck you. You get over it.

These goddamn animals want to fling their feces all over the city.

Thank god I don't own a gun... and this is why I don't own a gun.

9/22/2016 12:02:02 PM

^^ note that's deaths, not shootings. Most officers that die on the job are in a car accident

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html

9/22/2016 12:02:04 PM

RAWR RAWR RAWR

9/22/2016 12:08:01 PM

hey colangus

get fucked, catch AIDS, die screaming

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 12:19 PM. Reason : "Catch" is more euphonious.]

9/22/2016 12:14:08 PM

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"These goddamn animals want to fling their feces all over the city."

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"These savages destroyed our city"

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"If that was BLM last night, consider me a racist white devil. Fuck them. They're savages and deserved to be shot."

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"I want blood"

9/22/2016 12:29:44 PM

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"This simply isn't true. 2015 was a good year across the board but especially for the bottom half of the country. It's reflected in near Reagan level approval ratings for a second-term president. Yes, rural areas didn't get the same benefit even in 2015 but you're falling for the same "economic anxiety" bullshit that explains away that a large portion of his support is for much different reasons."

Hey Nym, I didn't mean to imply that our economy was in the dumpster. I guess I was talking about from the point of view of Trump's voters.

9/22/2016 12:33:26 PM

9/22/2016 12:41:06 PM

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"Whites predominantly support Trump because they are afraid of the changing demographics and the inevitable loss of their "white culture." It has nothing to do with economics."

9/22/2016 12:47:41 PM

Replace "white culture" with Western Values.

9/22/2016 12:52:57 PM

Our biggest problem here, besides the racial divide, is how information is getting distributed these days.

There can be two sides to this argument.

1. Information is getting out to the masses before it can be verified/vetted. Case in point - the daughter's live stream where she told the world that her father was carrying a book, not a gun. People heard this message, it latched onto something in their minds, and for many over the past two evenings, this message, this image, is what has fueled protests. I won't say it fueled the riots because something completely different fueled those.

2. The information that does get verified/vetted has been modified to fit the narrative of the officials. Some people out there believe that the LEO's are lying no matter what the actual evidence suggests.

Would Charlotte have been such an issue if that live stream hadn't gone out?

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 12:59 PM. Reason : fuel3ed]

9/22/2016 12:53:03 PM

The police did specifically mention social media had distorted the narrative.

When your goal is division, outrage, and victimhood (politicians, clickbait media, SJWs) the truth isn't important.

9/22/2016 12:56:25 PM

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"Thank god I don't own a gun... and this is why I don't own a gun."

Thank god, indeed. You sound unstable and should never own a firearm.

9/22/2016 12:57:03 PM

the reaction is just a symptom of people having no faith or trust in the institutions that are supposed to serve them

9/22/2016 12:57:33 PM

See, I don't think the unrest in CLT was solely a product of the Keith Scott shooting. Had there not been recent shootings in Tulsa, OK and Washington, DC, this most likely would have blown over as another police shooting.
I think the unrest we are seeing is more because people just get fed up after a while, tensions boil over, and then the opportunists come (looters and rioters).



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Man, I'm more or less willing to give the daughter or Keith Scott a pass on the shit she said in her video. I mean, she only learned her father was dead when she arrived on scene, I thought. I'm sure the poor girl was hysterical, and operating off of eye witness information that the neighbors were giving her. If I learned my Dad was gunned down, I can only imagine the type of shit that would come out of my mouth.

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 1:04 PM. Reason : D]

9/22/2016 1:03:22 PM

Why isn't police video footage when needed not publicly available?

9/22/2016 1:08:18 PM

Diamond Reynolds was pretty damn calm when Castile was shot and that still wasn't good enough for the apologists

9/22/2016 1:08:50 PM

just a heads up on the why hasn't a police body camera video been released: It's now against the law to do so in North Carolina, thanks to a law signed this year...

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-07-13/north-carolina-law-blocks-release-of-police-video

Though, it says it can't be released without a court order...my thoughts are, why has the police not requested to release the video if it shows proof of what happened...seems it would help the situation *if* there is a video to back up their side of the story.

9/22/2016 1:25:11 PM

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"Why isn't police video footage when needed not publicly available?"

House Bill 972 make it so that police videos are not public records. Signed my McCrory on 7/11/16. Doesn't become effective until Oct 1, but that's why they aren't releasing the tapes.

9/22/2016 1:28:49 PM

Oh well look at that.

9/22/2016 1:32:00 PM

^^^Read the facts, that law doesn't go into affect until October, so that has nothing to do with the current situation.

I'm not saying that the daughter didn't have a right to express how she felt regarding her father's death. There's no telling how irrational we would all be if we found out our parents were gunned down. No I'm talking about distribution, not content.

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 1:35 PM. Reason : asdf]

9/22/2016 1:34:16 PM

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"Charlottte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Kerr Putney has said that 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott refused officers' repeated commands to drop a gun, but he said during a news conference that the video does not definitely show Scott pointing a gun at anyone. Putney said he is working to honor the request from the family of Scott to view the video. It's unclear when or if the video might be released publicly. "Right now my priority is the people who really are the victims of the shooting," Putney said. "I'm telling you right now if you think I say we should display a victim's worst day for consumption, that is not the transparency I'm speaking of." Read more at http://www.wral.com/2nd-night-of-violent-protests-over-charlotte-police-shooting/16036432/#daXc8j30G72BVM6P.99"

9/22/2016 1:35:21 PM

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"Read the facts, that law doesn't go into affect until October, so that has nothing to do with the current situation."

https://twitter.com/NickOchsnerWBTV/status/778591935783112704?lang=en

9/22/2016 1:38:44 PM

He said he's going to try to show the video to the family but warned it won't definitively show the suspect pointing a gun at police officers. For the public, he said:

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""Transparency's in the eye of the beholder," he said. "If you think we should display a victim's worst day for public consumption, that is not the transparency I'm speaking of.""

He actually refers to Lamont as a "victim."


That video must be extra bad...cause other police departments have had no problems releasing stuff that the general public thinks is terrible.

9/22/2016 1:54:45 PM

^^^^ that's true, but I think the point BSPK was trying to make was that you couldn't blame an average person for watching that video and drawing various negative conclusions that galvanizes them against whatever issue that person is angry about. It's not rational necessarily, but most humans aren't rational, this is the reality we have to work with.

Look at the Philando Castille video for example, she held her composure extremely well given the circumstances.

But it's kind of irrelevant... between John Crawford, Tamir Rice, Philando Castille, and the Tulsa guy, white people still didn't feel compelled to support any changes, and these people were obviously done wrong and it's on video-- no cops really punished. So if you're a poor black person in Charlotte, you see a snail's pace progression on issues relating to police accountability and racism, it starts to feel increasingly desperate. You feel increasingly disenfranchised.

And ironically, this is the rhetoric coming out of Trump supporters' mouths. They feel like their government doesn't listen to them, that society's educated elites are ignoring them on issues of gay rights and immigration and muslims, they're fed a hysterical narrative about the government taking their guns, and they hear Donald Trump's messages of racism and xenophobia and are drawn to it. The difference is poor, uneducated white people get called alt-right and have political power to elect a president (by shear fact that white people as a whole are ~70% of the country). Meanwhile, because blacks are only ~12% of the population, #BLM has to beg for scraps from democrats, politically, while trying to convince the rest of the country there's a real problem (that they can back up by statistics, unlike Trump supporters).

Point being... when people feel disenfranchised, rightly (#BLM) or wrongly (Trump), you don't address them by ignoring/mocking/condescension them. Hillary screwed up by calling people deplorable, and we're screwing up by not taking police brutality issues and systemic racism seriously.

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 2:04 PM. Reason : ]

9/22/2016 2:04:39 PM

We do take it seriously, but as we've discussed in the perp. cop shooting thread, these things are deeply entrenched, surrounded by corporations intending to make lots of money, unions, and lobbyists.

And to be fair to some Trump supporters, it is ok to lament the loss of our manufacturing jobs.

9/22/2016 2:11:15 PM

Seeing some FB posts with eyewitnesses claiming they saw the cops shoot a protester in the head point blank, and they blamed it on another protester. Makes ya think...

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 2:38 PM. Reason : o]

9/22/2016 2:38:42 PM

Always funny to read Moron's leftist perception of why Trump is popular. "Racism" has become a meaningless word you use it so much. Semantic satiation. Racism racism racism racism

9/22/2016 2:56:57 PM

this is Trump's fault!!1

9/22/2016 2:59:24 PM

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"https://twitter.com/timcast/status/778962986912378880"

They did nothing going on wrong here, they're simply fighting against the racist, oppressive system. I mean, who could blame them?

9/22/2016 3:13:22 PM

They are oppressed by a black cop and black police commissioner.

The facts/video isn't even out yet. What a disgrace. We can thank the democrats/liberal media/gullible SJWs for creating the narrative that allows that shit to happen. Won't be suprised if more cops are murdered

9/22/2016 3:28:52 PM

Maybe these two can meet-up for handies

9/22/2016 3:37:22 PM

The point is that the race of the shooting office and commissioner are irrelevant when the institution itself is the problem.

'The facts' from the authorities has already begun shifting, and the video, in all likelihood, will never come out, so we may never know the truth one way or another.

This 'shit' has been happening for decades/centuries, but it's the rise of portable video recording devices, and social media that have thrown it in to the spotlight. Of course dems/liberals focus on these issues, since progressive societal issues are part of their platform while conservatives/Republicans are fine with the status quo of white male supremacy. Media gets involved and sensationalizes, sure, which is why we don't hear about the peaceful protests and vigils happening simultaneously elsewhere in the state and the nation.

I would not be surprised if more cops were killed down the line either, but I'm certain we haven't seen or heard of the last unjustified black murder by authorities.

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 3:38 PM. Reason : why do I feed the troll?]

9/22/2016 3:37:32 PM

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"The point is that the race of the shooting office and commissioner are irrelevant when the institution itself is the problem. it doesn't fit my black victim narrative"

Fixed it for ya

9/22/2016 3:45:04 PM

I mean...yeah...these are black victims.

9/22/2016 3:53:38 PM

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"The point is that the race of the shooting office and commissioner are irrelevant when the institution itself is the problem."

Ah, yes. The racism of low expectations. The infantilization of black people and the removal of their agency is a classic leftist tactic, but it's not because the left actually cares about black people, they just want other white liberals to think they care about black people. Virtue signaling 101. Being perceived as the most progressive, enlightened person in the room takes precedence over reason, evidence, facts, etc.

Just...explain to me how a black officer shooting a black man is institutional racism.

Now, explain to me how a mob of black people beating the shit out of/stripping a white bystander is not racism or a hate crime.

9/22/2016 4:37:34 PM

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"Just...explain to me how a black officer shooting a black man is institutional racism."

Whether explicitly or implicitly police are trained to see poorer communities of color as war zones, and when one is conditioned to think that way it to some degree either consciously or subconsciously bleeds into all interactions with a person of color.

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"Now, explain to me how a mob of black people beating the shit out of/stripping a white bystander is not racism or a hate crime."

I cannot, because it is. I'd never defend that action regardless of the race of the perpetrator or the victim. All it does is to feed back into the situation I described above.

9/22/2016 4:49:00 PM

[Edited on September 22, 2016 at 4:51 PM. Reason : [/]]

9/22/2016 4:49:27 PM

So I haven't kept up with this thread past page 1... which posts should I read/skip on the rest of the pages?

9/22/2016 4:50:44 PM

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"Now, explain to me how a mob of black people beating the shit out of/stripping a white bystander is not racism or a hate crime."

Where was this said? Has anyone shown anything but disgust at that? Or are you pulling a JCE and making up a position and arguing against it?

9/22/2016 4:52:29 PM

JCE posted under the wrong screenname

9/22/2016 4:53:56 PM

It's racism of an officer (black or white) perceives a black man carrying a gun to be an immediate threat that requires lethal force despite not pointing the gun, AND despite the 2nd amendment providing protection to people carrying a gun.

Based on the information we have been given, EVERYONE knows, if they are honest with themselves, that this shooting would be less likely to happen to a white person.

9/22/2016 4:56:17 PM

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"passive resistance is and has been happening, and is the tactic used by the vast majority of protestors. But look at the reaction those peaceful protestors have gotten. Colin Kaepernick is called un-American, distespectful, and is told he shouldn't be using his platform or protesting the way he is. There have been hundreds of marches and protests by BLM and others and they are demonized and criticized. The rest of country just isn't listening, and that's where the anger is coming from. When we start listening, the anger will abate."

9/22/2016 4:57:28 PM