Gun, looks legit to me
http://imgur.com/gallery/TtSGp?lr=0

9/23/2016 3:39:17 PM

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"The 70% is from the Charlotte police."

Yep, no reason not to definitively state this, since a spokesperson from the Fraternal Order of Police said it probably was about that many. Lol.

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"The "don't you do it" seems to be aimed at the cops, referring to shooting her husband ""

come on man

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 3:40 PM. Reason : ]

9/23/2016 3:40:12 PM

Suicide by cop doesn't make sense because this guy was just waiting for his kid.

The cops were looking for a suspect.

The most charitable scenario for the police, their blatant lying so far not withstanding, is the the brain injurY factored in to create confusion not seen in the video.

9/23/2016 3:40:23 PM

^^^that might be a gun, the explanation makes sense and so does the way the cop is standing over it

but also in the video you see a bunch of gloves also in the area, so you can't say for sure that its not just gloves that happen to be where he is standing

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2016 3:42:11 PM

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"Suicide by cop doesn't make sense because this guy was just waiting for his kid. "

According to the sources talking about white Devils, and him reading a book?

9/23/2016 3:45:07 PM

No, another likely scenario is that he wanted to make a statement, and had no idea it would go as far as it did.

Because we never assume it will happen to us.

9/23/2016 3:46:08 PM

9/23/2016 3:46:38 PM

crazy hypothetical:

how would things play out in terms of law if the woman In that video had a gun and was a marksman, felt that the police were an imminent threat to her and her family and killed the officers out of "self defense" then turned herself in.

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 3:48 PM. Reason : blockbuster]

9/23/2016 3:47:36 PM

^^^^lol, says the guy who immediately believes an "about probably" statement from the fraternal order of police spokesperson

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 3:52 PM. Reason : VV i'm sure it was for the troll, not you]

9/23/2016 3:47:57 PM

How freaking dense are you guys, its obviously a GLOVE. Nobody has any video/images of the "GUN"

9/23/2016 3:48:29 PM

I've always wondered that kind of scenario myself ^. Like if a truly bad cop was threatening my life. Do I have the right to defend myself against a cop?

Was the troll gif meant for me?

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 3:49 PM. Reason : asa]

9/23/2016 3:48:41 PM

around 1:52 of the video you can see the guy in red bend over and pickup the object then throw it back down. I have it screen shot on twitter but apparently you cant like images.

9/23/2016 3:56:57 PM

Lol @ TWW crime scene analytics team discovering the real facts.

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"^^^^lol, says the guy who immediately believes an "about probably" statement from the fraternal order of police spokesperson "

Why would you not believe that statement? What do the cops gain from lying about that?

Given we have seen emails of the DNC paying interns to protest, given Soros payed to bus protestors to Ferguson and funds #BLM, it makes sense. Lots of criminals from out of state trying to loot too, possibly.

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 4:04 PM. Reason : Y]

9/23/2016 4:04:23 PM

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"What do the cops gain from lying about that? "

What a god damn idiot

9/23/2016 4:14:37 PM

wow, lol

dude's biases are so apparent. immediately believes anything that fits his narrative, immediately dismisses anything that doesn't fit his narrative.

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 4:20 PM. Reason : ]

9/23/2016 4:19:04 PM

Sounds like a SJW to me.

9/23/2016 4:24:28 PM

sounds like a troll trap.

9/23/2016 4:26:45 PM

Sounds like some SJWs have some rustled jimmies tho

9/23/2016 4:30:46 PM

The police are always correct.

The police never lie

The police have my best interests

The police are not to be questioned

But the government is evil and out to get me.

9/23/2016 4:33:52 PM

^They won't catch me! I'm fucking innocent!

9/23/2016 4:37:33 PM

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"Sounds like some SJWs have some rustled jimmies tho"

lol, text-book trolling

9/23/2016 4:43:59 PM

Y'all, it's not a controversial secret that riot instigators and opportunists often come from out of town.

Acknowledging that fact doesn't undermine the black community's legitimate grievances with the criminal justice system.

9/23/2016 4:45:03 PM

well yeah, no doubt that some of the protesters/rioters are from out of town, nobody has denied that.

9/23/2016 5:20:10 PM

Yet it's somehow ridiculous to suggest that 70% of the most disruptive ones came from out of state?

9/23/2016 5:30:13 PM

You're ridiculous, my dude. You are. You, personally. Your entire life. Ridiculous.

9/23/2016 5:35:37 PM

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"CONTROVERSIAL"

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"SECRET"

9/23/2016 5:40:17 PM

I understand the argument against public body cams but theres no reason dash cams shouldn't be streamed to public servers for anyone to view at anytime. this could be easily done since its always in a car and there is no reasonable expectation of privacy outdoors on the street.

9/23/2016 7:23:18 PM

^ You mean besides tremendous public expense?

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 7:41 PM. Reason : a]

9/23/2016 7:39:48 PM

maybe they could use the money they get from civil asset forfeiture

9/23/2016 7:59:20 PM

The black police represent for the white cops!

9/23/2016 8:11:18 PM

it would only cost a fee thousand dollars per dept

9/23/2016 8:26:46 PM

On that 70% number. It was pretty clearly made up.

Those arrested during protest: Most local, most without criminal records
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103535612.html

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"Of those 42 people arrested, 32 live in Charlotte, according to their arrest records. The others mostly live nearby, in Albemarle, Gastonia, Greensboro and Raleigh"

9/23/2016 8:43:50 PM

The CMPD is obviously a SJW source. Nice try lib. Step out of the echo chamber. Breitbart said Soros bussed them all in from Chicagistan.

9/23/2016 9:07:35 PM

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"Of those 42 people arrested, 32 live in Charlotte"

Clearly 70%

9/23/2016 9:14:59 PM

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"i could see that interpretation but she was about to watch her husband get shot, it seems to me like she's trying to keep the cops calm and get her husband, who is brain damaged, to understand what was going on."

You need to watch the video again. The first half of it her comments are directed at the police, the second half filled with the "don't do it"s is very clearly directed at her husband as she keeps saying keith over and over.

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"police, their blatant lying so far not withstanding"

I'm familiar with this type of lying and acknowledge that it happens all the time, but in this particular case, you said their first story was he charged at the cops, so I assume that's the lying you're referring to here right? I'm not doubting that they said that, but can you point me towards a source or two showing that? I asked you this on the past page too. Are you sure you're not confusing another case for this one?

9/23/2016 9:26:11 PM

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"it would only cost a fee thousand dollars per dept "

I really don't think so. Let's say you have 100 vehicles, each needs a dash cam, the ability to transmit that data in real time to a server farm somewhere, and then the bandwidth to ensure that data is available for everyone 24/7. That kind of infrastructure isn't exactly cheap

9/23/2016 10:26:35 PM

https://i.imgur.com/YY26QsD.gifv

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 10:30 PM. Reason : She immediately goes for the balls ]

9/23/2016 10:29:10 PM

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"I really don't think so. Let's say you have 100 vehicles, each needs a dash cam, the ability to transmit that data in real time to a server farm somewhere, and then the bandwidth to ensure that data is available for everyone 24/7. That kind of infrastructure isn't exactly cheap"

Yeah I didn't respond because Earl, but systems like that would be a shitload of money, especially because it deals with video and all the overhead that requires, to say nothing of PII and all the associated governmental overhead.

[Edited on September 23, 2016 at 10:37 PM. Reason : You can't even maintain a one page open to the public web app for a few thousand dollars in the govt]

9/23/2016 10:36:20 PM

Do any of you think releasing her video was a mistake? Her voice alone tells a story.

9/23/2016 11:01:30 PM

It doesn't really tell *the* story though. If you wanna get hung up on the "keith don't do it stuff" and consider the case closed based on that then sure, from that silly position it was a mistake

9/23/2016 11:03:59 PM

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"I have a hard time with this narrative though when it comes to the CMPD. If you knew anything about him, you would know Chief Putney has been reaching out to the community for years to make sure that the police are communicating with everybody and have mutual respect. He and a barber were named Charlotte Man of the Year for their working in outreach. And I think he knows what it is like growing up poor and not being respected by police after his father died on the Roanoke River under suspicious circumstances and was barely investigated by the Halifax County Sheriff's Department. He grew up not trusting cops, so I'm sure he is trying to accommodate them as best he can."

I wish more people would follow this example. Maybe some of the protesters will apply to the pd and try to become part of the solution.

9/23/2016 11:46:31 PM

i don't get why you think its so complicated or has to have a dedicated server. i can live stream video from a smartphone ipod or gopro for free. i can set up a computer to view and record it on a 24 hour loop.

This type of thing is only expensive if you want to make sure its private with encryption. We're talking about making sure its public in this case. I checked out some hosting sites and it costs about 350 per month to host 15,000 hours of ip stream. Lets say 500 hours per car per month and that price covers 30 cruisers. That means 100 could be hosted for around 1000 per month easily.


As for local storage. Your're only talking about 8.6tb if its 1080p video 24 hours (loop) x 100 cruisers. ~$250 one time purchase
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7739052&Sku=9511530

I could have all of this up and running in a few days by myself

9/23/2016 11:56:13 PM

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" If you knew anything about him, you would know Chief Putney has been reaching out to the community for years to make sure that the police are communicating with everybody and have mutual respect. He and a barber were named Charlotte Man of the Year for their working in outreach."

The Chief != beat cops.That's a great story, but that's not every officer's story.

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"Maybe some of the protesters will apply to the pd and try to become part of the solution."

That's a bullshit argument. These people have their own lives, and their own careers. Those facts doesn't disqualify then from expressing their first amendment rights.

[Edited on September 24, 2016 at 1:39 AM. Reason : lol Earl is either trolling his tiny nuts off or he's ignorant AF. It could go either way.]

9/24/2016 1:30:19 AM

Both sides of this little argument suck so, so bad. You're all insufferable.

And, just in general, I've never felt so weird and alone before. This is the worst it's ever been for me. The media--and the bullshit they get to come out of people's mouths--has alienated me completely.

9/24/2016 9:30:48 AM

Don't forget about the cost of putting a program into the video that blurs people's faces and distorts their voice. Doubt that would be the easiest thing to do in real time. A lot of these people need to be ananimous to protect themselves from reprisals. The police are catching these people on one of the worst days of their lives and y'all want to air that live on TV??? The ACLU would sue them so fast for invasion of privacy it wouldn't be funny. You have to think of things beyond the cost. I know if I had a warrant I would be watching those videos to make sure known of them were in my neighborhood to serve it!!

9/24/2016 10:00:29 AM

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"i don't get why you think its so complicated or has to have a dedicated server. i can live stream video from a smartphone ipod or gopro for free. i can set up a computer to view and record it on a 24 hour loop. This type of thing is only expensive if you want to make sure its private with encryption. We're talking about making sure its public in this case. I checked out some hosting sites and it costs about 350 per month to host 15,000 hours of ip stream. Lets say 500 hours per car per month and that price covers 30 cruisers. That means 100 could be hosted for around 1000 per month easily. As for local storage. Your're only talking about 8.6tb if its 1080p video 24 hours (loop) x 100 cruisers. ~$250 one time purchase http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7739052&Sku=9511530 I could have all of this up and running in a few days by myself"

You don't work with computers do you?

So I'll make this easy for you.

Take a squad car, this is potentially what you need

Dash cam
Local memory (Probably an SD card or something) for backup in case of transmission issues.
Transmitter to stream the dash cam. Needs to be at least 3g speeds, but really, likely should be 4g.
An hour stream of video is probably about 1-3 gigs depending on the quality.

All this alone probably costs a couple hundred bucks, lets just call it 500 if you include all the installation fees and what not.

So right now, we're at 500 per car. Now, keep in mind, this doesn't promise you anything yet, you're still going to run into dead zones for cell service, not covering the cost of transmitting data, etc, we're already at 5000 dollars.


So, lets talk about what happens next:

First off, that data is going to need be transmitted. Let's take the low end 1 gig per day per squad car. That's 100 gigs daily being used on the cell network and into the server. Do you have any idea what a telecom would charge for that? Especially to the government where they know they can inflate their bids? Reliable transmission of 3 terabytes of mobile data a month. That'll be at least a couple thousand per month.


So where is that data going? Well, it's going to what you kids are calling 'the cloud', which means it's really just a server farm. I know in your quaint little example, you say 'but I can just stream it to my home computer'..Your computer couldn't handle that data stream in terms of raw throughput or even the post processing encoding. So yeah, you need a dedicated server. From a pure processing power to take that data stream, you're looking at fairly beefy machines. Also, since FOIA don't permit deletion of data easily, all that shit needs to be backed up. What it boils down to is you're looking at rack space that costs potentially tens of thousands per month.

At this point, you're well over a 'few thousand dollars' and you haven't even begun to address how you're going to stream that video to people. Have you ever dealt with trying to live stream video on your own? You point to using apple, or gopro, or whatever, but those companies have millions and millions of dollars on infrastructure in place. Hell, the fact that you talk about encryption being the true expense shows you really have no idea what you're talking about. Do you think it costs money to encrypt a file or a stream?

9/24/2016 11:00:39 AM

^^Seriously, it would be awful.

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"there is no reasonable expectation of privacy outdoors on the street."

I know that there isn't. But constant surveillance by authorities is bad enough; don't need anybody with a smartphone watching, too.

[Edited on September 24, 2016 at 12:07 PM. Reason : Awful.]

9/24/2016 12:07:14 PM

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" You don't work with computers do you? "

I don't and maybe thats why I can see around the old ways of doing things and come up with creative solutions. I don't understand how you can dismiss things I already do as impossible. Everyone has watched their friends "go live" on facebook. People have security cameras in their home that they watch on their phone. Times have changed and maybe working with computers has put your boots into the mud of your knowledge.

I have streamed time lapse footage from ip cameras for a long time for free and it costs me nothing. I've recorded videos on my laptop while doing other things and it costs me nothing. How do you think people pirate live tv?

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"Transmitter to stream the dash cam. eeds to be at least 3g speeds, but really, likely should be 4g. "

most state hwp and large city pds already have internet in the cruisers.

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"An hour stream of video is probably about 1-3 gigs depending on the quality. "

I overlooked the part about wireless data plans. I'll give you that. That would cost a lot.

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"You point to using apple, or gopro, or whatever, but those companies have millions and millions of dollars on infrastructure in place. "

So why not use it? Why not store it in the cloud? My prices were based on a hosting company for ip cameras. You don't need to do anything in house once the video is out.

9/24/2016 12:28:12 PM

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"I understand the argument against public body cams but theres no reason dash cams shouldn't be streamed to public servers for anyone to view at anytime."

Aside from the expense, there's the possibility that those feeds could be used by the bad guys - to figure out where the police are, or to listen in on them and figure out what they're planning to do.

I also think it is unreasonable burden to put on cops, or anybody else. It would prevent two officers from being able to have any kind of private conversation during their shifts, and effectively permit targeted harassment of officers by disgruntled members of the public.

In terms of the public, it would be a massive violation of privacy -- yes, even on a public street. Now suddenly people know if the police were called to your house, whether anybody was arrested or not. Trouble at home? Well now the internet knows, because it saw the police go to your house after reports of a domestic dispute.

And for all these problems you get what, exactly? What is the advantage to being able to watch all of it at any time?

9/24/2016 12:42:40 PM

^^

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" you really have no idea what you're talking about"

[Edited on September 24, 2016 at 12:44 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2016 12:43:43 PM