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https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1166867471862829056
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"Trump is withholding vital military aid to Ukraine, while his personal lawyer seeks help from the Ukraine government to investigate his political opponent.

It doesn’t take a stable genius to see the magnitude of this conflict.

Or how destructive it is to our national security."

End this lie. Crimea has nothing to do with our national security. People in Newark and many other places are suffering and our government acts like fixing problems would be too costly yet somehow military money to Ukraine on the other side of the world is essential for us. We won't be fooled. All Schiff cares about is filling the pockets of his buddies in the industry.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/why-the-military-industrial-complex-loves-left-wing-hawk-adam-schiff/260069/

[Edited on September 2, 2019 at 2:22 PM. Reason : left wing hawk]

9/2/2019 2:15:38 PM

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Earl likes Trump. And likes Russian imperialism.

9/3/2019 4:32:00 PM

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https://mobile.twitter.com/RyanBretonWX/status/1169321397266653184

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"Can't let this go unnoticed. @realDonaldTrump displayed a doctored version of the @NHC_Atlantic forecast for #Dorian.

The black extension past Florida did not exist; that's not how forecast cones are drawn."


9/4/2019 3:02:40 PM

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Did that briefing actually happen today, or was it just tweeted today?

9/4/2019 4:25:15 PM

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I actually thought it was a joke, but NOPE. POTUS used a fucking sharpie to justify his basic lack of understanding of how hurricane models work.

9/4/2019 4:50:05 PM

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It was literally today. Nothing like POTUS putting out days late information because he can’t deal with being wrong.

9/4/2019 6:16:14 PM

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Not that it matters, but it’s actually a crime to publish falsified weather reports. I think what bothers me most is that his supporters think it’s funny because it “owns libs”

9/4/2019 6:37:24 PM

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^https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/donald-trumps-innovation-governing-by-owning-the-libs.html

9/4/2019 7:48:01 PM

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/04/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-sharpie-map

Awesome, love it!

Fuck yeah 'Merica #1.

9/5/2019 12:50:15 AM

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"I actually thought it was a joke, but NOPE. POTUS used a fucking sharpie to justify his basic lack of understanding of how hurricane models work.

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A sharpie and a week old model. When asked how the sharpie got there he said "i don't know, i don't know, i don't know"

Can't believe people voted for this idiot...

9/5/2019 1:24:51 AM

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lol what a fucking dunce

9/5/2019 7:13:41 AM

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I'm almost wondering if he's going for a "too dumb to be culpable" defense...

9/5/2019 11:06:24 AM

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Care Provider Facilities Described Challenges Addressing Mental Health Needs of Children: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services | Office of Inspector General in HHS Custody

https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-09-18-00431.pdf

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"A 7- or 8-year-old boy was separated from his father, without any explanation as to why the separation occurred. The child was under the delusion that his father had been killed and believed that he would also be killed."

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"Physical symptoms felt by separated children are manifestations of their psychological pain. You get a lot of 'my chest hurts,' even though everything is fine [medically]. Children describe symptoms, 'Every heartbeat hurts,' 'I can’t feel my heart,' of emotional pain."


[Edited on September 5, 2019 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ]

9/5/2019 11:41:27 AM

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Honestly, if one of your parents was this brain-rotted you’d be putting them in assisted living.

And there is literally no one here that would argue against that in good faith.

[Edited on September 5, 2019 at 8:21 PM. Reason : He’s a tormented, sick, twisted and demented old man.]

9/5/2019 8:20:32 PM

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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1169981017794535432?s=21

Never surrreennnndddeeerrrr

9/6/2019 10:44:12 AM

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A+ for the use of 'beginnings' as an ambiguous temporal reference to elide the days between models showing potential risk to Alabama and unequivocally stating Alabama would be hit.

9/6/2019 11:23:14 AM

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/trump-altered-hurricane-dorian-map-sharpie.amp

9/6/2019 12:10:58 PM

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https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/products/official-donald-trump-fine-point-marker

9/6/2019 12:59:21 PM

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This is pretty crazy, dictator level manipulation of nonpartisan government organizations

9/6/2019 8:36:33 PM

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gaslighting an entire nation. God help us.

9/6/2019 9:11:36 PM

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"Lmao just imagine if Obama or any Dem really had their VP go three hours out of his way on a diplomatic trip already funded by taxpayer dollars to stay at a resort owned by a relative hahaha just literally imagine Pirro and the like frothing at the mouth on Fox about tax waste, favors, coRrUpTioN, for months. Scandal of the Presidency. The blatant hypocrisy. Trump is the most coddled, propped up, protected President in our modern history - potentially - our entire history. It’s like they’ve got 6ft tall gutter guards up and he still manages to just lob the ball 3 lanes over and then they fall in line to say the third lane was the correct lane all along and Trump was actually doing a cool bowling trick you’ve just never heard of."

https://reddit.com/r/politics/comments/d0hymn/_/ez9itbw/?context=1

9/6/2019 9:20:00 PM

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Out of the 10,000 lies you could choose to criticize Trump about, this Alabama hurricane thing is an awkward hill to die on. What is there to gain? Why do you want to prove that Trump didn't know what he was talking about wrt to a complex, dynamic, constantly shifting hurricane forecast? Of course he didn't know what he was talking about. He's not a meteorologist and probably doesn't understand how last week's forecast doesn't matter this week. No one should really care what he says about the forecast and the idea that one non-expert holds the fate of disaster response to a common disaster in their hands is indicative of a systemic failure (see bush/katrina). Hurricanes hit our country almost every year. Disaster-resilient systems should be in place to the point where adequate hurricane response happens without executives needing to pull strings. Stop looking to politicians for scientific information/wisdom and help.

With that said, yes, there were several models that took Dorian across the peninsula of Florida and into Alabama on a second landfall. That was the anticipation early on so he wasn't just making stuff up. The turn to the North before Florida was an adjustment that all of the models were late to pick up on. They misjudged the strength of the Bermuda high. Now you have NOAA confirming it and you want to play the apollo style conspiracy theory card. Thats why this criticism is weird. We know Trump hates being wrong, and we know his narrative is that all of his critics have Trump derangement syndrome (will criticize him over any and every insignificant little blunder). I just don't understand why everyone would pile on dragging Trump like this which only reinforces that narrative (Trump derangement syndrome) and helps him solidify his support.

The result makes me wonder if he did the sharpie thing on purpose as another one of his 4d chess moves. hmmm


[Edited on September 6, 2019 at 10:52 PM. Reason : noaa scientists are working for trump now. thats really the new angle yall taking]

9/6/2019 10:48:32 PM

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Jesus fucking christ how can you see stuff like this and the Ukraine news and not impeach
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"@natashabertrand BREAKING: House Oversight is investigating whether US military expenditures have been propping up Trump Turnberry. A peculiar refueling stop in Glasgow by a US Air Force crew, who stayed overnight at the resort—there & back—tipped them off. Our exclusive: https://t.co/oRkatAAnFs "


[Edited on September 6, 2019 at 11:04 PM. Reason : E]

9/6/2019 11:03:47 PM

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^^

You’re completely misremembering what happened and presuming trump was ever trying to make a rational statement

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/politics/fact-check-timeline-of-trumps-alabama-dorian-map-fiasco/index.html

The guy literally drew on an official map with a marker then denied he drew it like he was a child.

[Edited on September 6, 2019 at 11:44 PM. Reason : ]

9/6/2019 11:42:14 PM

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I know what happened. Trump was wrong and people called him on it then he responded like a child. I'm not denying any of that. I'm just wondering why everyone made such a big deal out of the tweet to begin with. Everyone knows how stubborn and childish he is about being wrong and everyone has known that for a very long time so my questions were what is the goal of this and what is there to gain? Seems like a lot more to lose than to gain by putting so much attention on something so pointless. It waters down criticism about serious issues.

The map that was drawn on was of a forecast that ended on tuesday. Some of the models went well beyond that and took the storm back into the gulf and into alabama later in the week. That sharpie part drawn on the map is like an extrapolation of the forecast beyond tuesday and was a poor job of showing what he was talking about. He later tweeted the image to show what he was referring to. The main issue is that he was using something that was outdated because it was days old. It should not come as a surprise that he doesn't understand tropical meteorology forecasts or that he's childish about being wrong so why do you want to die on THIS hill? I'd rather fight him on the concentration camps or anything more serious than a false tweet.

9/7/2019 1:06:58 AM

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Candidly, if it were Obama, no one would have said a thing. But it’s important to recognize why. With Obama, it would have been an obvious slip or he would have garnered some benefit of the doubt. With Trump, it’s further confirmation on how out of touch he is. Likewise, Obama would have made a general, singular slip and not both a Tweet and verbal statement that largely confirms how unaware and out of his element POTUS is.

Right now it’s categorization of evidence and at some point it’s relevant to collect all the things. When it’s insular and incidental, it’s not worth the recognition because it points to nothing greater.

This distinction is obvious but still worthy of note.

9/7/2019 10:16:47 AM

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No one would have said anything if Obama sharpied on a days old forecast? What world are you living in?

9/7/2019 10:20:03 AM

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^

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"Obama would have made a general, singular slip"


If Obama had said Alabama once and not made a week of it.

9/7/2019 10:47:05 AM

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^^^^
People made a “big deal” because the NWS released a single tweet correctly noting Alabama was okay— because as you know people panic if they think a hurricane is coming.

After this initial statement trump again said Alabama should worry— not because he was concerned or had information, but because he was angry anyone in gov dare correct him.

It’s longstanding problem trump doesn’t realize how serious accurate and trustworthy information from the government is, now he’s creating confusion about a hurricanes path. This is kind of a big deal.

9/7/2019 12:05:12 PM

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^^ was the Alabama comment a thing before the sharpie map? I dont remember anyone taking about Trump after he first said Alabama, I thought it only became a thing after the sharpie map.

[Edited on September 7, 2019 at 1:00 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2019 12:59:20 PM

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Obama was not as anti-science as Trump. I just don't know why anyone would expect to get accurate scientific information from a guy who is proudly anti-science.

Trump didn't create confusion. The root cause of the confusion is the idea that you can go to a politician for a forecast or for accurate scientific information. Anyone who's doing that instead of just checking the damn forecast was already extremely confused. See this is the thing I hate most about the general nature of Trump critics. Theres a lot of concepts, systemic failures and general societal flaws that have existed in the country long before Trump but as a manifestation of all of them, Trump ends up being blamed for their existence.

This is bad because by treating Trump as the cause and not just a symptom, we further ignore the problem and allow it to grow after Trump leaves. Obama is mature about things he doesn't understand so he would not have done this but no one should have been going to Obama to find out about hurricane tracks either.

This idea that the president, or any politician is an expert on anything other than winning elections, or should be a trusted source of scientific information is a societal failure that needs to end because it causes real harm even without Trump. Everyone trusted Obama and other world leaders on climate change yet their paris "solution" was scientifically invalid. Most people still don't know Paris was a joke because of the way the politicians patted themselves on the back. The IPCC goal is to stay below 2 degrees of warming and the paris agreement, if fully implemented would have kept us at 2.6-3.1 degrees warming. So not only did it have no teeth, even if fully followed, would have still led to a climate catastrophe.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature18307

Maybe we should just get all of our scientific information and weather forecasts from....scientists?

9/7/2019 1:05:52 PM

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wat

9/7/2019 1:07:10 PM

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"Trump didn't create confusion. The root cause of the confusion is the idea that you can go to a politician for a forecast or for accurate scientific information. Anyone who's doing that instead of just checking the damn forecast was already extremely confused. "



One of the issues with this is there are a lot of extremely confused people in America these days. Gullible suckers who will believe anything Trump says, like Dorian will hit Alabama, for example. To dismiss this as something unworthy of attention, as you do, is naive.

9/7/2019 2:45:22 PM

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noaa and the coast guard are siding with trump

9/7/2019 4:22:48 PM

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Imagine thinking Trump would “drain the swamp?”

Unprecedented corruption and fuck anyone who thought the Clinton Foundation was even a quaint comparison to the complete and utter corruption of Trump. Anyone who ever said a word about it should be shunned from political conversations for life.

[Edited on September 7, 2019 at 7:53 PM. Reason : Earl is and has always been a giant piece of shut guys]

9/7/2019 7:53:03 PM

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+1 credibility for canceling talks with the Taliban and the Afghan President at Camp David

9/7/2019 7:56:22 PM

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bill clinton is a pedophile and the woman who trafficked his victims was at his daughter's wedding

trump is too though so whatever. they're all vampires

9/7/2019 8:14:41 PM

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Bill Clinton is the worst kind of centrist, both sides prick.

But why, in 2019, are we even posting that?

9/7/2019 8:30:56 PM

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^^^ he's probably lying about that too though:
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1170472513261985793?s=20

9/8/2019 12:07:40 AM

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^He wasn’t ever going to meet them(Taliban and Ghani) at Camp David? Or he is still going to meet them at Camp David?

Ok forgive me for projecting, but you post what appears to be a partisan hack twitter feed. And you say perhaps Trump is lying. I think most would agree canceling was at least prudent. I’ll at least afford him that credit.

[Edited on September 8, 2019 at 12:58 AM. Reason : Sorry for editing so late after posting]

9/8/2019 12:43:10 AM

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There was never going to be a meeting with taliban at camp david.

9/8/2019 12:54:15 AM

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With his penchant for meeting with folks most Presidents normally shy away from, it is not out of the realm of possibility. There have been rumblings of a Taliban peace deal for a few weeks now in the press. He wants out of Afghanistan. You know he’d love to get in front of cameras afterwards and tout how he did something Obama and others couldn’t do.

I’m just triggered you’d immediately say he is lying. Rather than give him a modicum of credit. Reaks of hackery.

[Edited on September 8, 2019 at 1:06 AM. Reason : Done]

[Edited on September 8, 2019 at 1:07 AM. Reason : Trump still sucks. Now done.]

9/8/2019 1:02:39 AM

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lol trump literally lies about almost everything. It’s far more likely he’s lying here than saying something substantially true. I can’t think of any time where trump actually told the truth about something meaningful actually— can you name 1?

We’ll have to wait to see what the truth was here, but I’d bet anything it’s drastically different than anything trump says.

9/8/2019 2:37:09 AM

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The Russian negotiated peace plan (yes, Russia, look it up) probably turned out to be a total shit sandwich for the USA and afghan government, so obviously bad that the Russians couldn’t even bribe Trump into agreeing. Rather than admit he has nothing, Trump instructed a staffer to tweet this lie.

They’ll end up walking this tweet back in various ways by Wednesday. The Trump Admin is garbage, but even the shittiest State Dept employee wouldn’t invite the Taliban to the USA for negotiations ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11 (prez should be out giving speeches and saluting flags and shit).

9/8/2019 7:49:17 AM

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maybe he plans on javelining them with american flags on the whitehouse lawn and giving a patriotic speech while eagles eat their bodies?

9/8/2019 11:02:21 AM

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If the accusations and suspicions are true, its just good business once again. American capitalism is all about building connections in DC in order to help maximize profits at all costs. Every DC power broker is making backroom deals with personal benefit in mind. Thats why we are crumbling and falling behind the world in every area. Don't hate Trump just because he allegedly found the inside track on the parasitism . Hate the game.
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Unprecedented corruption and fuck anyone who thought the Clinton Foundation was even a quaint comparison to the complete and utter corruption of Trump. Anyone who ever said a word about it should be shunned from political conversations for life."

Imagine how upset he's going to be when he learns about the amount of everyday bipartisan corruption that takes place throughout our entire political establishment. How will he react to learning about the revolving door, lobbying, campaign finance practices, and the fact that all of this dwarfs anything Trump has done and actually existed before Trump? His head will explode once he's able to compare Trump's revenue gains to the revenue gains of companies involved in everyday government contracts, friendly regulation, and beneficial legislation.

They hate Trump so much because he forces them to confront the reality of the systems that have been in place in this country throughout its history. That makes them uncomfortable. Trump is not infuriating because he is un-american, he's infuriating because he embodies the American way; he represents the true character of this nation throughout its entire history, but he's bombastic and unapologetic about it, which is brand new. Trump represents the monster unmasked and these liberals desperately want the mask to be put back on so they can pretend American exceptionalism is a righteous ideal.

9/8/2019 7:52:31 PM

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"Trump represents the monster unmasked and these liberals desperately want the mask to be put back on so they can pretend American exceptionalism is a righteous ideal."


LOL that you think it's liberals that pretend American exceptionalism is a righteous ideal.

9/8/2019 8:17:06 PM

horosho
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Probably you have a different definition of liberal. Liberals are not leftists.

9/8/2019 8:27:41 PM

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classical liberal is what conservatives call themselves while they masturbate.

9/8/2019 8:41:39 PM

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^^Maybe you haven't noticed this over there in Russia, but here in America the ones shouting about American Exceptionalism are generally the same ones that are convinced that Trump has made America Exceptional again.

9/8/2019 9:46:16 PM

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