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dtownral
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lmfao at someone thinking Sanders has his positions because of AOC

4/26/2019 6:51:31 PM

moron
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People in prison voting is an issue because their populations are used to apportion representation in Congress. It’s a vote suppression tactic to count prisoners as population but not let them actually vote.

It’s also the key stone to much needed prison reform. If prisoners can vote we pretty much have to focus on rehabilitation and education. There’s a big hazard though where wardens will get the prisoners to vote for specific people in exchange for privileges. So it can’t be a single issue bill.

4/26/2019 7:34:29 PM

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Only 24% of the population is in favor of felons being able to vote while in prison, fwiw

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabsHPRestorationofvotingrights20180316.pdf

4/26/2019 7:53:59 PM

Dentaldamn
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People not serving life sentences should be able to vote in the state they legally resided before they were incarcerated.

4/26/2019 9:55:11 PM

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Not sure Biden will even win the Democratic nod

4/26/2019 10:17:54 PM

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"lmfao at someone thinking Sanders has his positions because of AOC"


Bernie prior to 2016-2017 wasn't an identity politics guy - now he has to be. Or, at least, he believes he has to be. It's not good enough to be the champion of the poor and downtrodden. You have to be the champion of intersectionality and all of the religious dogma that includes.

[Edited on April 26, 2019 at 11:10 PM. Reason : ]

4/26/2019 11:10:14 PM

JesusHChrist
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^does this guy just pop in every chance he gets to complain about how hard it is being a white-male?

4/27/2019 1:42:57 AM

d357r0y3r
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My life is easy, but my life isn't representative of most white people or white guys.

My point is that the current Democratic party won't tolerate a simple criticism of, say, wealth or income inequality. You have to specifically call out race/gender/sexuality as the primary driver of inequality. The thing is...they're really not the primary drivers IMO.

I do actually like a lot of what Andrew Yang is saying, despite suspicion of many of his policies. I've read some reviews of his book The War on Normal People, and he's tapping into something I'm just not hearing from other Democratic candidates, a.k.a. Why Trump Won. Singling out "oppressed groups" as your main platform seems like a losing strategy to me.

[Edited on April 27, 2019 at 11:27 AM. Reason : ]

4/27/2019 11:24:29 AM

dtownral
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I'm curious what identity politics you think Bernie has only endorsed in the last year (i.e. because of AOC)

4/27/2019 2:25:49 PM

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^^ the fact that you won't acknowledge the overlap between class struggle and racial/gender oppression is revealing. If you'll only entertain socialist thought that reduces everything down to class only (class reductionism), then that makes you susceptible to right-wing thought.

Because you don't actually reject identity politics. On the contrary, the act of dismissing identity oppression IS a form of identity politics. It's just the form of identity politics that centers all political action around the needs of white males.

4/27/2019 4:09:19 PM

Dentaldamn
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Ah yes. Identity politics...

http://time.com/5579131/kyler-murray-nick-bosa-donald-trump/

Also I’d disagree that “Singling out "oppressed groups" as your main platform seems like a losing strategy to me.” Trump won and he did exactly this.


[Edited on April 27, 2019 at 5:01 PM. Reason : I'm being repressed!]

4/27/2019 4:53:00 PM

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"I feel like those proceedings have already happened with the 2016 debates. "


You must not have watched the same debates I did. Hillary named problems but had no solutions, systems, or processes in mind on how to move forward. Her campaign was almost entirely reactional to Trump and her investigation and not proactive. Warren fumbled on the DNA thing, and as long as she's learned from that (being an incredible brilliant individual) she'll ignore his insults and unintelligent banter and focus on her vision. Hilary had no vision to speak of.

4/28/2019 6:22:40 PM

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https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1123285878007390209?s=21

It’s obviously very early and take these with a HUGE grain of salt but it certainly looks like Warren’s policy blitz has helped her a lot.

4/30/2019 2:04:40 PM

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BULLET THE BLUE SKY

4/30/2019 2:34:55 PM

rwoody
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Sigh biden

4/30/2019 2:50:13 PM

bdmazur
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^^^
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"Biden 38%
Warren 12%
Sanders 11%
Buttigieg 10%
Harris 8%
O’Rourke 5%
Booker 2%"


Sanders has defined the progressive platform for the next generation but won't be leader of it. I'm thrilled to see Warren picking up ground, and when Booker and Sanders drop out and endorse her she'll give Uncle Joe a run for his dirty money.

[Edited on April 30, 2019 at 2:52 PM. Reason : -]

4/30/2019 2:52:13 PM

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lol beto

4/30/2019 2:58:37 PM

rwoody
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Btw the other couple polls released in the last few days don't agree with that qpac poll.

4/30/2019 3:00:05 PM

NyM410
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In what way? I’m mostly talking about Warrens trend, not necessarily whether she is polling second or third. Also, Mayor Pete’s momentum has plateaued.

4/30/2019 3:02:31 PM

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Ah ok yea it looks like shes had some more minor bumps in the other polls. However you feel about 538 they do a good job of gathering polls in one place

4/30/2019 3:55:59 PM

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"Sanders has defined the progressive platform for the next generation but won't be leader of it. I'm thrilled to see Warren picking up ground, and when Booker and Sanders drop out and endorse her she'll give Uncle Joe a run for his dirty money."


Is this meant to be a joke, or wishful thinking?

4/30/2019 4:56:52 PM

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The second part is obviously wishful thinking. First part is a little strong but more right than wrong.

4/30/2019 9:02:53 PM

dtownral
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No way, apparently Sanders is following AOC

4/30/2019 9:34:52 PM

moron
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Is anyone here a Biden advocate?

I’m not seeing where this support is coming from...

4/30/2019 11:29:22 PM

rwoody
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Old people!

4/30/2019 11:36:17 PM

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Yeah, I'm going to guess people posting in TSB are not a representative sample of Democrats or voters in general.

Biden is basically small-c conservative: he's known, he's 'safe', and he's got Obama nostalgia.

4/30/2019 11:42:20 PM

bdmazur
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My grandparents are JFK democrats (my grandfather still brags about that being the first candidate he ever voted for). They called me in 2008 the night before the NC primary and begged me to vote for Hillary over Obama. I can see the same thing happening if it's Biden vs anyone else. They like old white centrists.

5/1/2019 12:46:34 AM

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^^^^Old people who like safe old people, black people who think he's Obama's uncle on his white side, union people who still idiotically believe that if they just elect the right guy they'll all get paid $90k a year again to do jobs that a spider monkey in a diaper could do.

Say what you will about the man's policies, but that's actually not a bad coalition.

5/1/2019 7:48:46 AM

aimorris
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^^^^^

theDuke866

5/1/2019 7:50:42 AM

dtownral
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[Edited on May 1, 2019 at 8:34 AM. Reason : .]

5/1/2019 8:34:25 AM

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I'm honestly surprised by Joe's performance thus far in a 2019 race. Didn't think he'd poll this strongly out the gates, given the party's seeming disdain for old guard Democrats. I think it shows that a significant chunk of the party really isn't looking to upset the apple cart, but just take us back to the relative sanity and stability of the Obama-era. Policy wise, he's more progressive then he gets credit for, especially on things like climate change and higher education. He deserves a fair shake on how he'd address the concerns of the left.

The prevailing notion that he'd be strong in a race against Trump is unearned though, he'll have to prove that during the primary. Biden hasn't won a competitive race in decades and the last couple times he ran for President did not go well, to say the least.

5/1/2019 2:26:06 PM

dtownral
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i wonder if biden will change his position on impeachment after today's events?

(jk i know he probably won't)

5/1/2019 3:11:40 PM

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I have no use for Biden but literal LOL at the NYT hit piece fed to them by Rudy fucking Giuliani off of more Peter Schweitzer bullshit.

If you don’t think the NYT won’t credulously report any nonsense that team Trump dredges up for other candidates too, you’re crazy.

5/2/2019 11:25:55 AM

dtownral
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so who do we want biden to pick as his VP?

5/2/2019 1:07:51 PM

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He'd pick from one of the progressive candidates running right now.

5/2/2019 1:19:23 PM

dtownral
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that feels less likely to me than a tim kaine type

5/2/2019 1:28:14 PM

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I have to believe that if not Biden then at least his advisory team know that to bring in the progressives that they'd have to tap a Warren-type for VP.

But then, I probably give too much credit where none is due.

5/2/2019 1:38:21 PM

Dentaldamn
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Kamala Harris seems like the way to go in this situation.

5/2/2019 1:46:48 PM

NyM410
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Biden/Sasse

5/2/2019 2:02:18 PM

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This isn’t difficult.
You can either try to steal away Trump supporters who are disgruntled because he said mean things(1) or you can try to appeal to the majority of the country(2). Just keep in mind that you can’t do both and most of the people who voted for him in 2016 probably haven’t seen anything that was newly offensive. Take a look at the progress on the top 3 issues people voted for him on:
-63% approval rating on the economy
-two conservative judges
-has done all he can to build the wall and signal he wants secure borders

Your options are really go return to the Obama years(1) or try something new(2).

Option 1) Biden Beto Buttigeig Klobuchar (will alienate the left)
Option 2) Sanders Warren Harris Gabbard (will alienate trump voters)

Its not clear where the others fit.

Those are the top 3 issues people voted for him on

At this point, it looks like Warren might be a DNC agent running to siphon off Bernie support to ensure a moderate wins. At best, she’s just promising what people want to try to win. Theres no way someone who supported Hillary four years ago suddenly has detailed policies laid out for a massive progressive agenda.

IF you insist on trying to do both options 1 and 2, you should go with Yang. He’s the only one who could potentially court the left and the right.

5/2/2019 8:06:49 PM

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I wouldn't hitch my star to Yang, especially given all of these revelations about people cheating/buying their way into elite schools. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kaplan/Manhattan Prep get exposed, or have ties to this whole thing.

5/2/2019 8:17:42 PM

NyM410
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But all crypto’s love Yang tho.

Also, you got Earl’d.

5/3/2019 7:31:31 AM

dtownral
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does anyone else think that we would all be better off without election pollsters?

5/3/2019 10:40:59 AM

bdmazur
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^Yes.

Politics has become more and more like sports over the past 20 years. We are entertained by the players between games, we choose who to cheer for and who to cheer against, and we let the media dictate who is a "good guy" and who isn't. Then we let the broadcasters influence who we think is going to win the next big game, and then analyze the players' performances.

The problem with this in the political realm is the analysts tell us what is or isn't a good strategy. We judge candidates on the strength of their campaign and not on their platforms or ability to lead. Day-to-day polling changes based on small insignificant details that get blown up on TV, and then people jump on trends and bandwagons, and just easily jump off. Early polling also relies so heavily on name recognition that it's inaccurate, but tends to then dictate early fund raising.

Get rid of pollsters. Get rid of big money donations. Get rid of the electoral college. Get rid of first-past-the-post voting.

5/3/2019 2:59:14 PM

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"I wouldn't hitch my star to Yang, especially given all of these revelations about people cheating/buying their way into elite schools. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kaplan/Manhattan Prep get exposed, or have ties to this whole thing."


Nah. I worked at Kaplan Test Prep for 5 years and I've worked with MPrep folks too. There's nothing to expose/tie. These are test study and preparation companies, they don't actually administer any college entrance or graduate admissions exams. The only political tie that I could see him having any connection to is the fact that Kaplan used to be owned by the Washington Post company before Bezos bought the paper, so I'm sure he knows the Graham family

[Edited on May 3, 2019 at 3:03 PM. Reason : #Yang2020]

5/3/2019 3:02:17 PM

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Makes no sense ideologically Biden eats from sanders support, but it makes sense sanders was riding high on name recognition.

I think Biden is very weak against trump but a lot could change after the debates.

5/6/2019 2:47:39 PM

horosho
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Name recognition only matters when candidates are similar on policy. The polls are trash but the more important part of it is that those people think all the candidates are the same because they are all democrats. Expect that to change as more people learn that they are actually complete opposites. Keep in mind that they already nixed undercard debates as part of an elaborate plan to shield the people from seeing contrast.
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"Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez announced on Thursday that the party would split up candidates by random selection and host debates on consecutive nights if there were too many candidates."


This format will allow them to "randomly" select Bernie and Biden to different stages and isolate Biden with similar candidates so that he better blends.

[Edited on May 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM. Reason : k]

5/12/2019 3:02:08 PM

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^^ interestingly I think he actually is very strong versus Trump, especially in PA and MI.

But significantly weaker against Dems such as Warren and Sanders who have legitimately popular policy.

5/13/2019 4:10:23 PM

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set

5/14/2019 10:23:39 PM

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em

5/14/2019 10:24:04 PM

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