What in the hell are you talking about? As rwoody said, mainstream reporters are also talking about this, and Iowa Dems corrected the numbers as a result. Your candidate was also affected. Stand up for yourself.

[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 5:54 PM. Reason : .]

2/5/2020 5:53:58 PM

Yeah, man. Keep pushing a “historical acquittal” and Trump playing 26-D chess like Earl did. It’s going to win so many votes in a Dem primary.

Jesus. Stick to fucking policy where Bernie wins by a mile.

2/5/2020 5:55:37 PM

????????

2/5/2020 5:58:27 PM

Kinda ridiculous this isn’t fully tabulated yet but sanders and buttigieg are tied now for delegates.

National polls show sanders stomping trump. Sanders long history as an independent would be a huge benefit in the general.

2/5/2020 6:56:08 PM

I'm skeptical those numbers will hold if Sanders wins the nomination.

2/5/2020 7:26:34 PM

^ same.

2/5/2020 8:33:11 PM

^, ^^your hard hitting data and analysis has convinced me! People say they would support him, but people are usually liars right

2/5/2020 9:14:08 PM

i wanted trump impeached and removed. after that, i'd love for him to be criminally prosecuted. he is the worst...and i will more likely than not actually vote for him anyway if you dumbasses nominate Sanders.

I give it >50% odds that I will vote Biden over Trump, >50% odds that I will vote Trump over Sanders, and nearly 100% odds that I will just vote for neither if it's Buttigieg. I'd probably abstain for most of the rest, too (I'd say there are at least very remote odds that I'd vote for Klobuchar or Yang over Trump instead of abstaining. There's a pretty considerable chance I'd vote for Trump over Warren, but I'd need to review her policies more if it actually came to that--i'd much rather just not vote for either of them.)

[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 9:32 PM. Reason : we are so fucked]

2/5/2020 9:28:21 PM

None of us thought you weren't a trump voter, thanks for confirming though

2/5/2020 9:29:45 PM

^^other than Sanders who would you not vote for?

[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 9:30 PM. Reason : Just him or others]

2/5/2020 9:30:03 PM

Whoever we chose he'll find a reason to blame that candidate for why he has to vote for trump

We had a Republican-lite candidate in 2016 and this asshole still wouldn't vote for them

2/5/2020 9:31:47 PM

^^ Edited. There are high odds I won't vote for any of them, but Biden has a decent chance of a begrudging vote from me.

^^^ none of us have ever thought you aren't a fucking idiot and douchebag for the ages.

[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 9:36 PM. Reason : confirmation #10,037]

[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 9:38 PM. Reason : viewing me as a closet trump supporter is particularly moronic. hell i hope they impeach him again.]

2/5/2020 9:34:38 PM

Unless you have to pay a little more in taxes, in that case 4 MORE YEARS

2/5/2020 9:52:10 PM

^^what don’t you like about bootyitch?

[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 10:02 PM. Reason : ^^^agreed for the most part on find a reason to vote for trump/wouldn’t vote dem anyways thought]

2/5/2020 10:00:22 PM

I mean we talk about horosho being a Trump supporter bc he votes 3rd party or whatever, but Duke literally says he'll vote (aka support) Trump and then gets mad about being called a Trump supporter.

I mean vote for you want man but dont get mad at us about it

2/5/2020 10:17:46 PM

https://twitter.com/Banalization/status/1225199174171451393
https://twitter.com/Banalization/status/1225249531425697792

Quote :

"They fucking misreported my precinct. Bernie won 2 delegates in Polk County - Des Moines Precinct 14 in Merle Hay and we fought like hell for them. And @iowademocrats put one of our SDEs in Warren's column but correctly reported vote. #IowaCaucusDisaster #iowacaucus #iowa"

Quote :

"OK, this is going to be a lot. A hero DMed me the results of a code that tested for mathematical irregularities in SDE distribution like mine across all reported precincts. Some of these are shocking. I am going to tweet them all out to this tweet. #IowaCaucusDisaster"

They are starting to expose dozens of precincts that were stolen from Sanders. None of this will matter because Pete is already getting the boost from the media reporting him as the winner even though by their numbers they are tied in national delegates and bernie is up 1000+ votes (see moron's post right below this)
https://twitter.com/bromo_sexuality/status/1224841410836299776
And this one ties it all together explaining what they were doing for 2 days with the missing 69%

I'm also seeing a growing number of people threatening to stop donating if Bernie doesn't call this out publicly.


[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 10:55 PM. Reason : nothing has damaged faith and credibility in us democracy like this]

2/5/2020 10:38:25 PM

Buttigiegs small lead will hold. Very close though.

Buttigieg just seems like a more eloquent and slightly more woke Biden. It’s really strange to me you would vote for Biden but hate buttigieg.

2/5/2020 10:53:08 PM

Quote :

"Buttigiegs small lead will hold."

it won't

2/5/2020 11:18:07 PM

AP has them at .1% difference with 4% left.

Seems symbolic somehow the two almost polar opposite candidates are on top.

2/6/2020 1:10:12 AM

Quote :

"the two almost polar opposite candidates are on top"

That's another side effect of the narrowing Republican base: broadening of the Democratic base.

It's becoming unwieldy and isn't sustainable.

2/6/2020 2:28:59 AM

Quote :

"i wanted trump impeached and removed. after that, i'd love for him to be criminally prosecuted. he is the worst...and i will more likely than not actually vote for him anyway if you dumbasses nominate Sanders."

I’m calling this Susan Collins syndrome (although I’m open to other suggestions) where a “conservative” seems to recognize the Trump administration is a dumpster fire but completes superhuman mental gymnastics in order to justify giving him more and more executive power.

2/6/2020 5:29:21 AM

Quote :

""i wanted trump impeached and removed. after that, i'd love for him to be criminally prosecuted. he is the worst...and i will more likely than not actually vote for him anyway if you dumbasses nominate Sanders.""

You want Trump impeached.
You want Trump removed.
You want Trump to be criminally prosecuted.
Trump is the worst.

You said all that. Conclusion: Trump is a criminal and the worst POTUS ever.

But Bernie is worse than that? Worse than the worst POTUS ever who is also a criminal?

What? WTF is that?

What is that Bernie has done/said which makes him worse than, according to you, someone who is a criminal and happens to be worst POTUS ever?

2/6/2020 5:45:18 AM

Quote :

"I mean we talk about horosho being a Trump supporter bc he votes 3rd party or whatever, but Duke literally says he'll vote (aka support) Trump and then gets mad about being called a Trump supporter."

Whoa whoa whoa, I may make fun of voting Green because in America it’s essentially a grift but voting third party doesn’t mean you support Trump at all.

I say Earl supports Trump because he supports him. Constantly capes for him no matter what, downplays the awful stuff and thinks he is some incalculable political genius despite obviously just being an impulsive twit. Notice I don’t say that about any other people on here are justifiably critical of Democrats.

[Edited on February 6, 2020 at 7:19 AM. Reason : X]

2/6/2020 7:18:57 AM

Quote :

"Sounds like you're only reading Iowa in the context of a general election instead of the Dem primary."

Then I'm the only one paying attention to what really matters here. The ideological squabbles within the Democratic party are small potatoes next to the existential crisis of another Trump term. We've all got our preference for who wins the nomination, which is as it should be; but the outcome of Iowa is worse for everybody than it is good for anybody on the Democratic side.

Quote :

"the news cycle moves so fast I cannot imagine this will matter to a single person in a few months"

I don't think "Remember Iowa!" is going to be the central theme at the Republican convention or anything. I do think that this starts off the entire primary season on a very wrong foot, giving Trump extra momentum and one more cudgel to beat us with, particularly once election interference comes up from any quarter.

Quote :

"Grumpy thinks Iowa is more important than anyone else does "

You don't get to have it both ways. Is it a "win-win-win" or is it meaningless?

Quote :

"the conspiracy theories suck, but I also think the constant stream of bullshit is fatiguing a lot of people, they’re returning to more legit sources"

I'm happy about your anecdotes, but they don't provide me much comfort. We're in a fairly obscure corner of the internet here, and we've already got a variety of conspiracies popping up on this site.

Quote :

"Dems sniping at each other during a contested primary is always a given. It’s what the primary is for."

Sniping at each other over policies or past statements is one thing; sniping about the integrity of the caucus (which Biden's team did quite quickly) is another.

2/6/2020 8:20:36 AM

Quote :

"Whoever we chose he'll find a reason to blame that candidate for why he has to vote for trump"

This sounds like my sister in law, who's a "Never Trumper" but constantly harps about what the Democrats have done that will force her to reelect Trump in 2020.

Quote :

"Well 1)a caucus takes far more time in a far more specific window then a GE or normal primary. But also 2) I read some analysis that the large field helps to suppress turnout bc there are still undecideds, and undecideds are less likely to vote, but that could be bs not sure."

The low Iowa caucus turnout is a bit concerning; however, I could see two less concerning factors coming into play: 1) a lot of participants from the 2016 caucus found it to be a cumbersome process and, therefore, the lower than expected turnout could be specific to Iowa and shouldn't necessarily be expected for future primaries; 2) Democratic voters are content with voting for any of the current candidates over Trump and, therefore, are less incentivized to caucus for one Democratic candidate over the other.

[Edited on February 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM. Reason : ]

2/6/2020 9:12:34 AM

I think, after all this, Bernie might win all three ways once 100% is reported.

I don’t do the conspiracy stuff but I’m glad he seemingly outperformed. And I’m glad, mercifully, caucuses are dead and gone.

2/6/2020 9:18:14 AM

Quote :

"You don't get to have it both ways. Is it a "win-win-win" or is it meaningless?"

read my post again, the clues are there for you you total moron

2/6/2020 9:19:56 AM

you mean egg / donut?

2/6/2020 9:33:12 AM

^^^you should prob stay off the internet on Feb 22....

^^why don't you just say "I don't think it's important as you think but I don't think it's meaningless. It's a win even if it's a small one" or something. Communication is a two way way street.

Quote :

"This sounds like my sister in law, who's a "Never Trumper" but constantly harps about what the Democrats have done that will force her to reelect Trump in 2020. "

Quick somebody give her an opinion column at a national publication!

[Edited on February 6, 2020 at 9:39 AM. Reason : E]

2/6/2020 9:37:22 AM

why do i have any interest communicating with a GOP idiot?

2/6/2020 9:39:00 AM

Grumpy is as much a Democrat as anyone at this point. Unlike Duke that constantly gives 1000 caveats, grumpy has stated repeatedly that he will be voting for any democratic candidate this year.

But you obviously want to communicate, since you've responded to him multiple times.

I'm not going to delete but this is pointless

[Edited on February 6, 2020 at 9:45 AM. Reason : E]

2/6/2020 9:44:10 AM

he's not a democrat, he's a republican who was part of their party becoming what it is today and now wants to do the same to another party. fuck him. fuck duke. fuck every one of these "never trump" blowhards who sat by as the party was radicalized over the last 30 years and now wants to pretend like they aren't part of the problem.

also i was wrong, at least one person thinks iowa is as important as grumpy thinks it is:

Quote :

"Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Nothing that I can remember has damaged faith and credibility in US democracy like what happened in the Iowa Democratic Party caucus."

lol

2/6/2020 9:47:01 AM

I mean it was less about defending Grumpy, he can defend himself (although I do think is "one of the good ones" and has also expressed a seemingly genuine change but whatever), and more about the "people who disagree with me are all idiots" attitude. But it's dumb of me to try to police personalities which is why I said pointless. Feel free to call me an idiot or ignore me and move on.

2/6/2020 9:58:26 AM

^^So you've given up on trying to change anyone's mind? Not that your opinion would change Grumpy's vote one way or the other, but you'd rather ostracize his vote for how he felt in the past?

2/6/2020 10:03:56 AM

^^i don't think you're an idiot, i think it's idiotic to listen to or give any weight to republicans coming to the democratic party after they fucked theirs up so hard. we already tried giving them a moderate candidate who strongly overlapped with their ideology, it didn't work.

^for years people here have explained things to you and explained why you are misinformed about things and yet you've recently admitted that you still listen to conservative talk radio. so, honestly why should anyone expect you to change?

[Edited on February 6, 2020 at 10:05 AM. Reason : .]

2/6/2020 10:04:00 AM

lol, isn’t Greenwald from Florida? Memory holed 2000 I guess.

He has done some excellent work and I think he is doing an amazing job exposing corruption in Brazil but I don’t think there is a single influential person on the left who has lost the plot more in America. It’s just outright bizarre. Not even a tweet I can find about the whistleblower stuff and that is like his thing.

^ I’d be glad to have their vote come November but no one should take seriously their opinion on what the left or Democrats should do.

[Edited on February 6, 2020 at 10:13 AM. Reason : C]

2/6/2020 10:13:01 AM

I listen to the local show in the morning, for about 5 minutes. Not sure if that really counts as listening to conservative talk radio. And most of the time they don't even talk about politics. But I wasn't talking about my mind that needs changing.

2/6/2020 10:13:43 AM

^^Why not? Hard lines have been drawn. The left is going to vote for whoever the nominee is regardless. It's folks like me, and grumpy, and others who are disillusioned with the current Republican party that you should be trying to court.

[Edited on February 6, 2020 at 10:16 AM. Reason : dble post]

2/6/2020 10:15:57 AM

lol @ dtr calling grumpy an idiot. Say whatever you want about his opinions but this would be like Earl calling someone a conspiracy theorist.

2/6/2020 10:21:20 AM

Sanders drastically out raised the others

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/us/politics/bernie-sanders-donations.html?emc=rss&partner=rss

I was really believing they were just being cautious with the vote counting but now I’m convinced they’re doing everything they can to not have to label sanders as the front runner now.

Being tied with Pete, maybe ahead, combined with raising the most money, he’s clearly in the lead now for the nomination.

2/6/2020 10:22:49 AM

Quote :

"The left is going to vote for whoever the nominee is regardless."

lol no

2/6/2020 10:35:11 AM

Quote :

"It's folks like me, and grumpy, and others who are disillusioned with the current Republican party that you should be trying to court."

No. This is a ridiculous statement for moral cowards that dislike Trump but don't actually want to have to not vote for him. Like Duke.
Why should Dems slide further right-of-center in order to pander to you?
Vote libertarian, that's what you really want anyway.

2/6/2020 11:29:22 AM

rjrumfel is not in the same category as duke or grumpy... fairly obvious.

i think he basically treats this board as... opposition research. He isnt an asshole but he isnt going to vote democrat.

shrug

2/6/2020 11:32:49 AM

Strategically speaking, there's no long-term benefit for Democrats to cater to the desires of Never Trump Republicans. Even if Never Trump Republicans help to elect a moderate Democrat over Trump in 2020, they'll likely just switch their vote back to the next Republican candidate in 2024.

2/6/2020 11:33:54 AM

there isnt... but you dont actively turn them away either. people like dtr literally prefer they vote republican in order to keep the club clean (or something). yet another purity test, basically.

2/6/2020 11:38:18 AM

because i'm im the gatekeeper that hands out permission and i'm turning people away

2/6/2020 11:50:16 AM

there are lots of you, unfortunately.

2/6/2020 12:07:27 PM

To rjrs question about trying to court, it all depends on what you mean by that. If you mean candidates should try to explain how their policies would benefit you, I def think this is worthwhile. If you mean they should form their policies based on what you want, I def don't think they should. Part of that is that many asking to courted are like Duke that say "I'll vote for any dem, as long as they are republican" and part is that candidates risk losing the base if they move right.

But, grumpy doesn't fit that box if he's being honest bc he's even said he would vote Bernie (I think?) (and maybe he votes all republican at local/state levels, who knowsI still don't think the party should court him anymore then they should court Biden fans, but that's more my personal political view. But I don't think anything is gained by telling him to go fuck himself or whatever.

2/6/2020 12:08:19 PM

Anyway, 538 now has Bernie at nearly 50% to get the nom

2/6/2020 12:12:26 PM

nah fuck those guys

2/6/2020 12:13:05 PM