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If Bloomberg wins the nomination and picks Yang as VP, then it’s a fight between three New Yorkers plus Pence, while the whole world is watching.

2/29/2020 3:17:04 PM

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"Feels like the Gang is getting back together - or we never went anywhere."

3/3/2020 10:47:43 AM

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Rappin' Tom Steyer crushed Yang in NC

3/4/2020 12:51:33 AM

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His boss quit.

3/4/2020 5:15:43 PM

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https://movehumanityforward.com/



[Edited on March 5, 2020 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

3/5/2020 11:13:31 AM

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He announced the launch on The View today. He's popular among women. It has been his third time on that show in just several months.

3/5/2020 11:48:17 AM

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$3M was already pledged before the nonprofit was publicly announced. Since yesterday's announcement, HF has already raised nearly another $3M.

$2 million of that is already planned to go to people as part of a new UBI project.
Yang started his campaign by giving the Freedom Dividend to 2 people in Iowa and New Hampshire
Gave it to another 10 people during the campaign
That $2M alone will fund over 150 more Freedom Dividends, and many more to come I'm sure




[Edited on March 6, 2020 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2020 1:53:14 PM

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more like Wuhan, Wuhan, cut you all a check, amirite

3/9/2020 12:19:43 AM

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The Biden endorsement is 0% surprising

3/10/2020 9:54:02 PM

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Bernie had his chance to earn Yang's endorsement by adopting the Freedom Dividend and he opted against.

Yang has always said he will support whoever is the nominee, and after tonight we see Biden's delegate lead is only increasing and it's becoming clear Biden will almost certainly become the nominee.

It's not clear to me at all that Biden can or will beat Trump, nor was it clear to me that Bernie would/could. But Bernie had his chance, and it won't be him this time again either. Doesn't have the same excuses as 4 years ago. He had full name recognition, 4 year organizing head start. Just couldn't convince the majority of Dem primary voters that he was the right choice.

As far as the presidency goes at this point, I couldn't have cared much who the Dem nominee was. But it's still important to beat Trump, and it's important to win down-ballot. good luck America.


[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 10:14 PM. Reason : .]

3/10/2020 10:10:06 PM

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He said he would endorse the nominee who supported UBI you utter fraud

Less than halway to requires delegates


[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 10:12 PM. Reason : But Yang is progressive! Fucking idiot]

3/10/2020 10:10:44 PM

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I get that you're upset but Bernie never had a viable path to the presidency

3/10/2020 10:12:27 PM

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This fake motherfucker just wants power, needs dem support to be mayor. Gtfoh

3/10/2020 10:13:14 PM

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I am laughing my ass off at a shill for a tech bro candidate with zero delegates saying a candidate with hundreds of delegates had no path

3/10/2020 10:15:14 PM

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Y'all's sour grape whine is less than palatable

3/10/2020 10:15:56 PM

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I just want everyone to see how Yang's pitch was meaningless and he's a terrible sellout and anyone who fell for it is a moron

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"“We’re already talking about the next steps. And if anyone wants my endorsement, all you have to do is come out for universal basic income, say every American should get $1,000 a month, and then I will be there with you on the trail the next day.”"


[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 10:27 PM. Reason : Suuuuure]

3/10/2020 10:17:19 PM

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man this shit is so depressing. literally everyone has a price. we really are screwed as a society, nation, and planet.

3/10/2020 10:17:41 PM

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Imagine taking a paycut to work for this guy cause you thought he was authentic, i mean god damn


[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 10:20 PM. Reason : Gotta get that establishment money. Maybe Bloomberg will support!]

3/10/2020 10:18:34 PM

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Jesus DTR seems really mad.

Anger is misdirected tho tbh.

3/10/2020 10:36:21 PM

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im so mad that if there was a riot outside right now, i would definitely join in and break some windows at chase or something.


[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 10:54 PM. Reason : my anger at your lack of anger is even greater than my initial anger]

3/10/2020 10:52:09 PM

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Sure it is earl.

3/10/2020 10:55:14 PM

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Whats a non-angry justification for Yang endorsing Biden?

You're right though that I'm not mad at Yang (Im mad at voters, who are dumb), but the Yang endorsement was particularly sellout-y given how he acted as a candidate

3/10/2020 11:06:54 PM

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Yang's endorsement is a 100% non-factor. Every other candidate other than Warren ofc already endorsed Biden long ago. Yang is simply supporting the presumptive nominee, as he always said he would. If he really wanted to "sell out" to Biden, he would have endorsed him the night he suspended his campaign.

You saw how the delegates played out in 2016. There's very little opportunity for Bernie to catch up now. He has a large support base for sure, but apparently it's not bigger than the rest of the Dem primary voters. 50+ year olds and black people showed up big-time for their preferred candidate, who it turns out is Biden (so be mad at black people and the elderly if you like). The sooner we all go through the stages of grief that our preferred candidate did not get the nomination, and start working to vote out Trump and the rest of the GOP, the better. that is Yang's math tonight. no more, no less.

[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 11:18 PM. Reason : .]

3/10/2020 11:15:00 PM

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What changed from "I'll endorse the candidate who supports ubi" to today? Running for mayor.



[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 11:22 PM. Reason : And of course a yang employee is using elderly black people as a.cover for Yang's spinelessness]

3/10/2020 11:19:19 PM

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https://twitter.com/pjmccartney/status/1237714762055561216?s=09

This is good by Yang but seems a little empty when accompanied by the "endorsed Biden" chryon. Seems like he should have worked to push for these changes BEFORE endorsing and/or endorsed the person that wouldn't have required him to contradict himself.

[Edited on March 12, 2020 at 9:13 AM. Reason : Also lol that "nobody has ever said this on tv before" ]

3/12/2020 9:05:26 AM

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https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/10/stockton-universal-basic-income-pilot-economic-empowerment/599152/

3/15/2020 11:45:56 AM

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the economic hardship would've been significantly blunted if we had UBI right now.

3/15/2020 8:51:42 PM

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On CNN now. Finally put my finger on it. He sounds like Pee-Wee Herman

[Edited on March 15, 2020 at 10:57 PM. Reason : Or rather someone doing impression of PWH ]

3/15/2020 10:56:50 PM

daaave
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Sold out for a VP spot that Biden was lying about

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1239358676168839169

3/16/2020 12:06:33 PM

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"This is good by Yang but seems a little empty when accompanied by the "endorsed Biden" chryon. Seems like he should have worked to push for these changes BEFORE endorsing and/or endorsed the person that wouldn't have required him to contradict himself."


I mean, he did just put his life on hold for 2 years to bring attention to these issues. This was a core message of his campaign.

Yang didn't contradict himself. Yang dropped out on Feb 11. The very next day he said publicly "if any Democratic candidate wants my endorsement, they need to come out in favor of UBI." He also said that he wanted to see the democratic process play out and would support the eventual nominee.

Over the next month, neither Biden nor Bernie pursued Yang's endorsement by coming out in favor of UBI.

He endorsed Biden on Mar 10, long after all the other major candidates also dropped out and endorsed Biden. Biden took a big delegate lead on Super Tuesday and an even bigger lead on Super Tuesday II with now half the delegates pledged and very little likelihood of Bernie catching back up. That's just the MATH.



The bottom line is Bernie had his chance to earn Yang's endorsement, and he had his chance to earn America's vote in the primaries. By the time Yang endorsed Biden, it was clearly based on the "I will support the eventual nominee" basis. If Yang was really trying to "sell out" for a Biden VP spot, he would have endorsed Biden on Feb 11 the night he dropped out. Yang has stated many times his reservations with Biden's candidacy, but the people have spoken and it's gonna be Biden, so might as well get to work trying to beat Trump.

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"lol that "nobody has ever said this on tv before""


agree. that's a silly thing to claim.

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"He sounds like Pee-Wee Herman"


i don't see it shrug.gif

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"the economic hardship would've been significantly blunted if we had UBI right now"


indeed. In the last few days we've now seen calls for UBI from AOC and Mitt Romney, among others. Who among Biden, Bernie and Trump will call for it first?

[Edited on March 16, 2020 at 2:02 PM. Reason : dtownral and daaave still can't help but act like clowns.]

3/16/2020 1:54:25 PM

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Trump making the 1k bonus a reality.

3/17/2020 11:17:21 PM

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Qntm how do u feel about these $1000 checks that will be going out soon?

3/17/2020 11:37:27 PM

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Any money sent to the American people during this time of crisis is a positive move. $1000/mo should be the baseline when there's not an ongoing pandemic, so honestly much more additional stimulus is probably needed to minimize the destructive consequences of a national shutdown we're entering.

Obviously this is not the Freedom Dividend. but hopefully this emergency stimulus helps normalize the experience and expectations of the government providing an above-poverty income floor, and when this crisis passes Americans and the political class will see the wisdom of keeping a permanent UBI in place

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 12:01 AM. Reason : And we don't even have final details yet. Still plenty of time for Trump/GOP/Dems to fuck this up]

3/17/2020 11:53:13 PM

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I'm encouraged by the prospect of these potential payments to workers but expect most of this money will be going to business owners and not the people who need it most.

3/18/2020 12:19:15 AM

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https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1243284846337839109

l i b e r t a r i a n

3/27/2020 1:58:05 PM

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Dude's been out of the race 7 weeks and Bernie bros still hard at work trying to smear people actively working to eradicate poverty. And y'all wonder why the fuck bernie lost.

Meanwhile, Yang's new non-profit has been hard at work giving people money. Over $1 million so far.

https://twitter.com/HumanityForward/status/1240960170705944581

3/27/2020 6:37:28 PM

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It's bad if you think posting his words is a smear


Also I think Sanders used his campaign two raise $2mil for charities in like 2 days last week

3/27/2020 7:30:29 PM

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I don't have a problem with Yang's tweet. I was clearly referring to Dave's "gotchya" characterization of it

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1242979884433125388

c o m m u n i s t


And your second point is exactly what I'm talking about. We're all out her trying to do good, it's just the Bernie faction who constantly insists on conspiracy theories that everybody else is a secretly evil and must be exposed for the horrible person they truly must be

[Edited on March 27, 2020 at 8:18 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2020 8:14:58 PM

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^^^
He's a political figure and CNN commentator and will likely run for office again. Good for him for starting a charity - that is admirable. But his political ideology of shrinking government and returning services to the market is dangerous to the working class. And it has a name - libertarianism.

^
yeah communism/socialism is good

[Edited on March 27, 2020 at 8:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2020 8:15:27 PM

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https://jacobinmag.com/2020/3/universal-basic-income-ubi-coronavirus-covid-19-crisis

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"Politicians who represent the interests of capital clearly grasp the point that a guaranteed basic income would tilt the playing field in favor of workers. That’s why they see it as a dangerous step. For the very same reason, the Left should see it as a vital opportunity"


[Edited on March 28, 2020 at 12:55 PM. Reason : Even jacobin has moved on from the smears and started seriously discussing UBI again]

3/28/2020 12:53:08 PM

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Universal UBI is good, especially in a crisis. But the way it’s funded should be progressive, not regressive. And it shouldn’t be a replacement for social services. When Yang starts promoting that kind of UBI, I’ll gladly support it.

3/28/2020 2:45:38 PM

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as I said, I'm open minded to exploring other funding mechanisms. The bottom line is that VAT works well, and is a key reason why almost all countries have a VAT. While ideologically I support the idea of a wealth tax more, in practice it turns out that doesn't work very well, which is why most countries that have tried it have inevitably gotten rid of it.

We have the same goals - to empower and enable a stronger, healthier standard of living for the most people. One of my biggest frustrations is that Bernie supporters are unwilling to see that anybody else has good intentions. Only they and Bernie truly care. Everybody else is a snake who needs to be exposed.

There are many ways to achieve the same set of goals - I'm just advocating a more pragmatic vs ideological approach. I'd rather get something great done and have it not be perfect rather than be ideologically stubborn and get nothing done. America almost had a UBI passed in the early 70s, but the same arguments you're making are why we went another 50 years without it, and we all know how income inequality has worsened in those last 50 years.

as for social services - they are EXTREMELY flawed and even actively harmful programs, which I have gone through multiple times in this thread. I understand that they are better than nothing for the people who rely on them, plus they were hard-fought for and that's why many on the left want to protect them so dearly. but it's a sunk cost fallacy. y'all are willing to trash a BETTER approach just bc so much is invested in the existing garbage we have.

if before public education was a widely accepted right of citizenship, the debate had been along the lines of - well math is important let's make sure people who can't afford math classes can get free math classes, but only as long as they make under a certain income (cus fuck if I'm gonna pay for Rockefeller's kids to learn math) and they have to prove every week that they've tried to learn math on their own. and only if you've been a resident of that state for more than a year. and only 20% of applicants end up navigating the bureaucracy correctly and end up qualifying. and it only lasts for 9 weeks then you have to wait 3 years before you can apply again. and a completely separate program just like that but with a whole different set of dumbass guidelines for grammar lessons. and another program like that for biology. and another for health and fitness. and another for every other essential need. maybe that was what the state was willing or able to provide for its citizens so that's what we got.

and then somebody comes along and says hey maybe we should just give EVERY CHILD an education. No restrictions. They just get it. Every month. And the people in town who have more money can even go too (and are encouraged to do so), we'll just make sure they end up pay a bit more in taxes anyways.

is it not obvious that the second system is far better? but the people who are so wrapped up in maintaining that first system fight against the better system. that's essentially what has happened here.


and when Bernie starts promoting ANY KIND of UBI, I'll support it. He's had people telling him for years to adopt it, but he hasn't, and this cycle has actively worked against it. so he gets zero support from me on this issue.

I think we should be using technology to automate MORE jobs, and spread that wealth back to the people so they can have the option to enjoy their life however THEY think is best, not however the government thinks is best. cus maybe Bernie puts that workforce to good use building green infrastructure and that's great, but 10 years from now Trump Jr gets elected and puts that workforce to use terrorizing immigrants. it's so much better to give people the resources to choose their own life, than giving them the resources to live the life somebody else decided to choose for them.

[Edited on March 28, 2020 at 3:22 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2020 3:12:48 PM

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tl;dr

qntmfred hates poor people

3/28/2020 3:24:27 PM

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Yang said Asian Americans should combat racism by being outwardly patriotic and nationalistic

Im just a white guy but it seems like that tactic has been tried millions of times with a success rate close to zero

4/2/2020 4:38:50 PM

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Lots of places looking at UBI now. Spain and California are working on proposals, twitter CEO starting a nonprofit to push UBI.

4/7/2020 4:14:14 PM

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His newest self-documentary book about the campaign journey- Universal Basic Candidate--is gonna released soon.

4/15/2020 10:52:19 AM

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Podcast #letyangspeak is released

5/5/2020 10:03:28 AM

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He sued New York State for cancelling its primary and won. You're welcome Bernie supporters.

[Edited on May 5, 2020 at 9:09 PM. Reason : and others]

5/5/2020 9:08:10 PM

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Wait didn't Sanders also sue? Should they be thanking yang bc they wouldn't have won without yang or bc yang sued on Sanders behalf?

5/5/2020 9:29:22 PM

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The latest several episodes of yangspeak podcast have been awesome. He teams up with Van Jones like Rush Hour’s Jackie Chan and Tucker. And the topics are really broad.

Andrew 2024 is possible!

5/27/2020 8:57:39 AM

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