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bbehe
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Biden isn't my guy and was definitely not my preferred candidate

4/11/2020 8:49:46 PM

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"Biden should drop out and release his delegates."


In your mind, what does this look like? Genuinely curious..
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I’m a little ignorant about the delegate counting process but I don’t see if somehow Biden dropped out (let’s say he had a stroke or something) why the delegates couldn’t do the respective 2nd place in their states.

4/11/2020 9:49:06 PM

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^^all I've seen you do is defend him for any and everything

4/11/2020 9:56:27 PM

bbehe
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Why don't you post stalk me a little more then?

4/12/2020 6:30:46 AM

bbehe
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^^^ That's not how that would work at all.

Delegates would vote for whomever they wanted, and since they were chosen by Biden's camp, you'd likely see the nominee be Cuomo or someone rather than Bernie.

Seriously folks, Bernie is done, he's not going to be the nominee.

4/12/2020 6:56:02 AM

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I knew that what was what he was going for, which is why I asked. God damn, that would be a complete dumpster fire.

Obviously, if Biden were to drop out it’d be AFTER he picks a VP and it would already be determined that the delegates would coalesce around that person.

4/12/2020 7:53:02 AM

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

Nytimes finds zero evidence to back Reade's claims

4/12/2020 8:03:56 AM

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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/bernie-sanders-sydney-ember-new-york-times

hmm

4/12/2020 10:35:55 AM

bbehe
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Bernie bros sharing 'NYTIMES IS FAKE NEWS' and attacking reporters...gee who else does that?

4/12/2020 10:53:31 AM

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Donald Trump takes big shits. Gee...who else does that?

4/12/2020 11:18:55 AM

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Seriously though, equating accurate media criticism with what Trump does is pretty fucking stupid. Noam Chomsky will be very surprised to hear that he's exactly the same as Trump!

4/12/2020 11:23:47 AM

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Have fun repeating IRA and Republican talking points until Nov

4/12/2020 11:24:43 AM

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Have fun repeating JP Morgan Chase and Cigna talking points until Nov

4/12/2020 11:29:18 AM

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https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1249152785293205506?s=21
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" National GE:
Sanders 46% (+2)
Trump 44%
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Trump 45% (+2)
Biden 43%"


The levels of not-sure are higher on the Bernie ballot so this difference is Bernie Bros going 3rd party

[Edited on April 12, 2020 at 11:40 AM. Reason : ]

4/12/2020 11:37:17 AM

bbehe
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I would not read that much into GE polls yet, plenty of them show Biden over Trump by large margins, others show Trump over Sanders

4/12/2020 12:13:39 PM

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Just to clear up my position though,

Biden was never my first pick. If Biden wins, I hope to hell he only does one term and if he runs for a second, I hope he's primary'ed.

For VP, I hope he picks someone in their 40-50s, to the left of him, but with enough executive experience to take over on day 1.

Biden is the nominee and I plan on voting for him. A Trump victory means a 7-2 split on the court for 30 years and I don't want that.

I think anyone who is going to not vote or vote third party out of protest is likely privileged enough to where a 7-2 split and 4 more years of Trump won't affect their life.

4/12/2020 12:19:46 PM

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"Why don't you post stalk me a little more then?"


You don't seem to understand how message boards and basic human memory work. I've argued with you a few times over the past few weeks bc you and I both post here and disagree. Furthermore I've remembered our arguments bc i found yours particularly dumb and felt it was notable that when presented with a solid argument, you disappeared. Finally, when I saw this particular line, I though "hmm wonder how he felt about kavanaugh" at which point it took me 10 seconds to find your posts in the Supreme Court thread. I'm sorry that your intellect rates these things as a massive task of obsession but it's really fairly simple.

4/12/2020 12:19:46 PM

bbehe
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So you decided to take a quote out of context and not read my other comments in the thread? Cool

4/12/2020 12:24:42 PM

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You don't think that, hear me out, the DNC shouldn't have rammed somebody through with skeletons?

What other context do I need?

And the context you provided just is worse for Biden as you said lying is disqualifying, even about something minor.

4/12/2020 12:28:46 PM

bbehe
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Hey, did you see where I qualified my statement about Kavanaugh with 'under oath'?

All politicians lie

4/12/2020 12:30:07 PM

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So you think huge, policy critical lies to the American public is fine, but lying to senators about your partying habits is disqualifying. That's sad tbh but ok.

4/12/2020 12:38:13 PM

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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=bernie-sanders

Guess Sanders is disqualified too on the amount of lies he told

Nobody 2020

4/12/2020 12:42:55 PM

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" the DNC shouldn't have rammed somebody through with skeletons?"


Biden doesn’t have skeletons

4/12/2020 12:43:47 PM

bbehe
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And he wasn't rammed through. He won the primaries

4/12/2020 12:48:51 PM

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I mean, sexual assault accusations are as bad as it gets. Period. His campaign should respond on the record and with facts.

“Skeletons” are far more subjective. For instance most Bernie fans probably thought Pete working for McKinsey was a skeleton but Bernie’s old writings weren’t. And that’s fine. But subjective and probably the compete opposite of the voting public at large who has no clue what McKinsey even is.

4/12/2020 12:54:08 PM

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He won the primaries after the DNC coalesced behind him and got others to drop out. He might have won the nomination anyway but he certainly wouldn't have become the presumptive nominee this early.

4/12/2020 1:00:37 PM

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Biden wasn’t rammed through, most voters don’t follow things closely and they just felt safer with Biden.

NY Times has their article out. No new information except interns that worked under her recall her leaving abruptly in the Spring, the same time she says the assault happened:
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1249362122703855617?s=21

[Edited on April 12, 2020 at 1:01 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2020 1:01:17 PM

bbehe
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Moderate candidates with no viable path to the nomination drop out and support fellow moderate with path! More at 11!

4/12/2020 1:03:13 PM

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They didn't feel safer with him until others dropped out. They felt he was safer compared to Bernie, not all the other candidates. And of course people want two vote for a winner so the narrative behind him didn't hurt.

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"Biden doesn’t have skeletons"


He has 2-3x the skeletons that Kavanaugh had

4/12/2020 1:04:49 PM

bbehe
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No, they thought they had a path to the nomination, that ended by looking at polling prior to super Tuesday

4/12/2020 1:32:16 PM

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I don't know who you're responding to since my post was in response to moron and didn't mention path, but polls had been showing the same thing for weeks, if not months. No coincidence they all chose the same time to drop out.

4/12/2020 1:51:45 PM

bbehe
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So just curious, if it is Biden v Trump, who are you going to vote for?

4/12/2020 2:24:35 PM

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I would never vote for Trump under any circumstances. If the election was tomorrow I'd vote for Biden but I wouldn't be happy about it.

4/12/2020 5:26:17 PM

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I’m not excited about having to vote for Biden but I pretend to be in public because historically enthusiasm has been a factor and if everyone voting for Biden is all depressed about Biden, it’s not going to help drive turnout.

4/12/2020 6:19:25 PM

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^ lol what does that entail? walking around with a smile and holding a Vote Biden sign

4/13/2020 12:16:27 PM

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^ basically at this point yeah

https://open.spotify.com/episode/517dJezt47dKF2evkCOxlx?si=kkRaYLcOSqGeNzYT5zYcNA

Biden has a podcast he’s been doing and his voice and speech are normal. You have to speed it up 25% but it’s pretty clear Biden is fine except he speaks slowly. He’s clearly not as smart as Bernie or Hillary or Obama, but he’s 1000x more coherent than trump would be on any of these topics.

I think what happens on tv is he tries to talk faster which makes him stumble over his words a lot more. He sounds like an old grandpa at his normal speaking rate but he basically is.

[Edited on April 13, 2020 at 1:41 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2020 1:40:27 PM

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is biden really the best that the Dems can do?

4/13/2020 1:43:25 PM

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Let the record note the concern of Trump acolytes for candidate quality.

4/13/2020 2:18:32 PM

moron
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I don't know how much ads actually matter but these are going to be brutal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5D3iT4BhbQ&feature=emb_title

the last few seconds too

4/14/2020 12:48:46 AM

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Hopefully they have something better than impeachment ad from two months ago

4/14/2020 7:30:35 AM

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It's going to be a tough balancing act. I think there's definite value in bringing up the whole long, sordid chain of Trump shittiness going back to 2016, just to make people remember the staggering volume of it rather than the latest outrage. He and his team are very good at constantly generating new ones to make you forget the old. But on the other hand, you don't want to elicit exactly ^ this response of, "Why did you have to go all the way back to _______?" (Never mind the fact that impeachment being just a couple of months ago would make it very fresh in any sane universe)

4/14/2020 8:04:34 AM

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The whole point of the ad is to vote to impeach Trump, I think that ship has sailed.

Im fine with all the imagery and discussing the impeachment but seems silly to boost an ad that didn't work. Plus, yea, there is a whole new scandal that people care much more about right now.

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 8:32 AM. Reason : It was released the day before the senate voted ]

4/14/2020 8:31:42 AM

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So do we think that this dictatorial/totalitarian rant from yesterday's briefing will have an impact, especially if that behavior continues? I bet a lot of Trump's supporters are the same ones who feel that the Civil War was fought over states' rights.

To have a president state that the POTUS has total authority over states/governors would fly in the face of that belief.

4/14/2020 9:31:10 AM

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It will only matter as far as potential value in rallying the Dem base, if anything.

I don't know how you could think that after all trump has done, a press conference comment would turn off a supporter. His base is his base. If you just assume his 44% is locked in and worry about the rest of the voter base, youll waste less mental energy.

4/14/2020 9:36:31 AM

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More like 30%. There are limits for 10% but those limits are extreme. They will almost assuredly vote GOP and just say “well he says mean things and I don’t like it but my Gorsuch.”

Legitimately 5-10% of his 2016 voters would vote against him, most being suburban women.

4/14/2020 10:02:06 AM

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I reckon I'm a suburban woman.

4/14/2020 10:22:37 AM

rwoody
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Maybe split the difference. His approval has barely dipped belwo 40% since 2017. You almost def aren't getting that group to vote for Biden. Maybe they can stay home? But that is a long shot too.

4/14/2020 10:56:39 AM

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I don't know. I mean I know Biden doesn't do anything for the left, but I bet a lot of on the fencers...if there are any left, would go for Biden as much as they would Trump. It's not like there is a huge difference between those two men.

4/14/2020 11:27:56 AM

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there is a huge difference between those two men

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

4/14/2020 11:29:23 AM

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"It's not like there is a huge difference between those two men."


Seriously?

This is both sides bullshit. You may not care for liberal policy positions. You may not like the Democratic Party. You may hate Biden. That's fine, but don't pretend conservative, Republican, and Trump are reverse sides of the same coins. They're not.

Go through your posts in the President Trump credibility watch thread and make a list of all the things you could see Biden also saying or doing.

4/14/2020 11:33:31 AM

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