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Lol nice orphan post. "Jesus" in reference to rjrs continuous blinkered world view

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 11:59 AM. Reason : E]

4/14/2020 11:58:19 AM

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They are both old men.

Zero daylight between Trump, Biden, Bernie and Herb Sendek.

Vote your conscience.

4/14/2020 11:59:44 AM

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So this is probably a dumb question, and it just goes to show how little enthusiasm I actually have for Biden, but...why didn't he run in 2016 again?

I keep reading that he's "always wanted to be President" since he ran a few times before, but what was the rationale for letting Hillary get the nom in 2016? Was he afraid he'd lose to Hillary? Burned out from 8 years doing...not a whole lot besides staying out of Obama's way?

Please, I have a match tonight.

4/14/2020 12:16:37 PM

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his son died

4/14/2020 12:20:28 PM

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That and I think Clinton was basically was promised it would be her turn

[Edited on April 14, 2020 at 12:43 PM. Reason : a]

4/14/2020 12:43:04 PM

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" but I bet a lot of on the fencers...if there are any left, would go for Biden as much as they would Trump. It's not like there is a huge difference between those two men."


reading now some of the things that were said during today’s press conference and hoooooo boy

4/14/2020 8:02:15 PM

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Yeah these nominees are determined well in advanced. Hillary was promised it to drop out and let obama win and then biden had to let hillary win and was promised next if she lost the general. Thats how congress knew to impeach Trump for "investigating his opponent" several months before the general public knew who his opponent was going to be. I think I was the only one who pointed that out at the time.

4/15/2020 12:58:45 AM

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Yeah, you were the only one who has access to the polling from the previous year that showed Biden up on the entire primary field the entire time. Only you.

Honestly, I’m pretty lenient and engage him regularly but he’s essentially stepped up his trolling and contrarianism tenfold the last few days. Is it worth it to allow this nonsense to continue.

It’s not a “different point of view” but rather trolly contrarian horseshit.

4/15/2020 7:13:17 AM

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"And of course last night they said the sun would rise this morning, hours before they could possibly know. I pointed this out but no one listened"

4/15/2020 7:35:14 AM

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was earl banned previously for simple trolling or did he do something beyond that?

4/15/2020 8:13:52 AM

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I'm reading Secret Empires--How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends lately. A lot of interesting facts about Joe's family.

4/15/2020 10:16:56 AM

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Last time I was banned right after bashing Don Lemon about the Kanye/Trump and whatdya know I talked bad about Don Lemon yesterday and he's calling for me to be banned again.

Constant namecalling every post is not trolling but being outside of the "Trump vs MSM" or "Trump vs Democraats" binary is unacceptable contrarianism.
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"It’s not a “different point of view” but rather trolly contrarian horseshit."

And lets be clear about why its contrarian. If you see democrats and the MSM as the only opposition/solution to Trump (point of view) then being against all three groups essentially means you are opposing "everything" which is contrarian. So you are only allowed to have a different point of view if its within NyM410's comprehension. Anything that doesn't absolutely separate Trump from the other two parts of the system is "contrarian trolling"

It would be fine if I would only bash Trump and call people names as long as I refrained from bash the MSM or democrats.

I may have disdain for this entire system but I can point to half a dozen other countries with diffferent types of systems and say "wow, the system, its leadership, opposition, and media are all productive, make sense and benefit the people.

When you say something bad about the opposition people assume you must therefore be a Trump fan and they go into their bag of prepared responses to Trump supporters. When you're not a Trump supporter either, it frustrates them because they don't have any prepared responses for that. They conclude you must have made up a POV they weren't prepared to respond to only for the sake of frustrating them. You even saw Daave come out and say he'd be a lot more comfortable if I was part of a group with a core ideology he was familiar with.

Theres a lot of people out there like me who are just scared to come out because of this exact thing. They know they will be banned, cast out of social circles, or fired by their job if they speak out against the system.



[Edited on April 15, 2020 at 11:19 AM. Reason : the system at work]

4/15/2020 10:55:35 AM

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My berniebro friend, who now hates bernie because he endorsed biden, is saying that he doesn't view Trump as a uniquely bad president, he's just bad in the same way obama or bush or bill would have been.

4/15/2020 11:06:33 AM

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And Biden is not much different with Hilary actually.

4/15/2020 11:11:38 AM

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^^^now he's admitting he's earl

just stop reading and responding to him

[Edited on April 15, 2020 at 11:38 AM. Reason : ]

4/15/2020 11:38:05 AM

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no he admits to being tulsigabbard... who he says wasnt earl

4/15/2020 11:50:22 AM

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but was The E Man

4/15/2020 12:01:29 PM

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I’m kinda alarmed at the people on social media buying into id2020. Seems like qanon has spread to the low information Bernie voters now.

4/15/2020 11:56:57 PM

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"people on social media"


Are these actual people?

4/16/2020 12:10:42 AM

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you're a moron if you're surprised by anything on social media

4/16/2020 12:56:47 AM

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^^ some people I know pretty well and other people from high school who were otherwise politically disengaged

4/16/2020 1:18:59 AM

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the fuck is id2020

4/16/2020 8:00:00 AM

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So Bernie's refusal to attack Biden means that he is making it all the way to the general without ever being tested. I think that strategy will backfire and that democrats could've been stronger if they actually tried to beat Biden. Heres why. There is a lot of low hanging fruit to attack Biden on and with 20 something democrats and the entire MSM refusing to use it, many people are going to have the impression that its not there. Then when Trump attacks Biden on easy targets that should have been obvious, he's going to look really wise and sharp and Biden's going to suddenly look like a fool to people who weren't really paying attention and automatically thought he was Obama 2.0. These debates are going to be a disaster for democrats.

and yes I just watched Kulinski

4/17/2020 2:34:39 AM

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" There is a lot of low hanging fruit to attack Biden on"


Fortunately, there are nearly 4 years of Trump, to attack Trump

4/17/2020 2:52:18 AM

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^^ the President literally got impeached using essentially oppo information about Biden, who then rolled the primary field and became the earliest presumptive nominee in a generation.

That isn’t even a defense of Biden but to act like he hasn’t faced anything is ignoring all facts. Also, you consistently underrate how little people care about the Dem nominee this cycle. It’s all about widespread Trump hatred. I know you don’t mind him and in some cases, even like him but that isn’t an opinion widely shared.

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"he's going to look really wise and sharp"


Lol, oh my God.

aCtUaLlY, tRuMp Is SmArT aNd WiSe

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 7:15 AM. Reason : X]

4/17/2020 7:13:58 AM

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You put so much effort into finding phrases that you can use to try to make me look like a Trump supporter that you completely miss the point of the post. Otherwise, both of your paragraphs support my point.

4/17/2020 11:05:29 AM

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"You put so much effort into finding phrases that you can use to try to make me look like a Trump supporter... "



No effort is required

4/17/2020 11:14:38 AM

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trump is a walking embodiment of low-hanging fruit

4/17/2020 1:51:14 PM

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"who then rolled the primary field and became the earliest presumptive nominee in a generation."


ehhh.....I think this is a jump you're making to emphasize your point, but the process in which the Democratic machine bumped Biden to the front of the line could easily be his downfall, so we shouldn't just gloss over the mechanics that took place to make that happen.

The Democratic establishment removed all obstacles and cleared the lane for Biden, so we shouldn't then turn around and use that as evidence of his unstoppable momentum. It was a manufactured bump exacerbated by historically unique circumstances, and not a genuine groundswell of support. It can easily become unraveled when met with a wrecking ball that is Trump. We shouldn't underestimate that.

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 2:12 PM. Reason : ]

4/17/2020 2:06:09 PM

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Yeah, it was more of a rhetorical point to show that Trump actually already has made a run at Biden and he survived. Certainly wasn’t made to imply he is a strong candidate at all. I’ve said in other threads that while he CAN win I would still make Trump a slight favorite because of incumbency advantages. Though, I’ve changed that after the last few weeks but it will be close regardless.

4/17/2020 2:41:14 PM

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I'm not sure about presumptive nominee/generation thing. Clinton was the presumptive nominee from day 1 and had a pretty big lead on super Tuesday, way bigger than biden.

4/17/2020 2:53:14 PM

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I mean, you can argue context, but there is a literal definition. Bernie dropped out way later in 2016, no?

Actually, I’m blanking, but Tulsi officially suspended her campaign yet?

4/17/2020 3:02:51 PM

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There isn't, in fact, a literal definition.

And as for "generation", Kerry was basically the candidate at the beginning of March. That's 16 years, so maybe a generation? If so the comment if much less effective if you "quickest of the last 3 primaries"

I mean you're arguing with Earl, I guess I should backup, but you're painting Biden as a far stronger candidate than he actually is, imo.

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 3:21 PM. Reason : E]

4/17/2020 3:07:16 PM

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I mean, I’m objectively not doing that. I have said he is in a coin flip election with the most consistently unpopular president in history. A guy who scraped by in 2016 by the flukiest confluence of events in electoral history.

To be less understated than saying until recently Trump was favored IMO I would have to think Biden has almost no chance to win, which is insane no matter what.

4/17/2020 4:01:21 PM

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Well that would be the case with almost any nominee. Your posts seemed to imply that all the OPPO didn't hurt him but it likely did. He started slumping much more in the the polls as that news came out. If impeachment and covid didn't reset the nation's attn, who knows if he recovers as well.

4/17/2020 4:16:58 PM

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That whole original response was full of non sequiturs and a strawman quote of me saying trump is sharp.


My point was that the debates would be a disaster for Biden because he would be hit by Trump on things that are reallly obvious hits but none of those opponents he "wiped the floor with" dared to bring out. Trump will "look" sharp to people who are going to just be learning about all of the biden baggage.


Tara Reade and Biden's inability to think or talk on his feet was never touched and so those attacks will appear to be things Trump has revealed on his own that 20 something of the most qualified candidates overlooked. Thats going to make him look strong regardless of whether its true.

Trump's "low hanging fruit" has already been picked clean. There isn't anything negative about Trump that hasn't already been worn out. Its already "built in" and can be dismissed by potential Trump supporters as "democrat stuff" since all democrats and media have been repeating it.

Don't inject your own opinions into this because nothing can happen that will change your mind. The thing you have to consider is the type of person who goes into a fall debate undecided.

[Edited on April 18, 2020 at 12:42 PM. Reason : everyone here is already decided]

4/18/2020 12:41:21 PM

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" new Fox News state polls:

Michigan
Biden 49%, Trump 41%

Pennsylvania
Biden 50%, Trump 42%"




Huge numbers for Biden against the incumbent at this point

4/22/2020 7:30:13 PM

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Not worth it

[Edited on April 23, 2020 at 11:58 AM. Reason : Had a post about Jesse Ventura but it’s not worth the conversation ]

4/23/2020 11:54:57 AM

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[Edited on April 23, 2020 at 12:01 PM. Reason : Well I guess I have to edit mine too! ]

4/23/2020 12:00:43 PM

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^^^those are great numbers for trump right now. It will energize his base to turn out

4/23/2020 2:26:02 PM

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" Just 28% of Americans say they’re regularly looking to President Donald Trump for information about the coronavirus pandemic and only 23% say they have high levels of trust in what the president is telling the public."


https://twitter.com/jpacedc/status/1253392714655293442?s=21

4/23/2020 2:41:07 PM

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I need to get that Jesse Ventura tweet storm framed.

Anyone watched Hannity lately? He's laying out how China spread misinformation about coronavirus to sow distrust in the american political system. He said they put out fake tweets about aunt who works at the pentagon and national lockdown. Says china is trying to influence the election in their favor.

[Edited on April 23, 2020 at 3:27 PM. Reason : it all sounds really familiar.]

4/23/2020 2:58:04 PM

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^^ I'm curious if/when/how that will impact his overall approval numbers.

Trump is receiving the most widespread, serious attention from the general public of his entire term. The situation requires leadership and can't be waved off as 'just politics'. You'd think the fact that 75% of the country thinks he's not worth listening to would send his numbers to new lows.

4/24/2020 6:09:55 PM

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Pretty much all the polling is bleak for Trump right now, as you’d expect.

4/27/2020 3:47:11 PM

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"So this is probably a dumb question, and it just goes to show how little enthusiasm I actually have for Biden, but...why didn't he run in 2016 again?

I keep reading that he's "always wanted to be President" since he ran a few times before, but what was the rationale for letting Hillary get the nom in 2016? Was he afraid he'd lose to Hillary? Burned out from 8 years doing...not a whole lot besides staying out of Obama's way? "


The "insider" articles I read at the time said he wanted to run, Obama talked him out of it, and the attributed to Obama statement "a person of your stature and career should not be finishing 3rd place in a New Hampshire primary" sticks in my head.

(He finished 5th in New Hampshire...and won the nomination. )

[Edited on April 28, 2020 at 9:50 AM. Reason : /]

4/28/2020 9:36:50 AM

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"Pretty much all the polling is bleak for Trump right now, as you’d expect."


Anything other than a Biden victory in November I'd be stunned (with the caveat of like Hillary Clinton, we have a lot of evidence to support Biden is not a great campaigner). This Covid crisis occurring is not really Trump's fault, but it removed his single greatest talking point in his favor of the economy.

What to look for the next 6 months then:

-how is voting going to take place in November in the backdrop of all this?
-who is Biden's vice presidential nominee? (considering age of him and Trump, there's a higher than normal chance of the VP becoming president prior to January 2025; if I were the Bernie folks I'd throw all my energy into getting a friendly VP nominee, but actions that are ongoing that may cost Bernie some of his delegates and New York cancelling their primary will reduce their influence at the Convention however it occurs, which makes a rubber stamp of whoever Biden decides on more likely)
-does Pence stay Trump's VP nominee? (not so much matters for 2020 but more 2024)
-how much of coattails is there for Democrats down ballot? Republicans in 1996 for example knew Dole was losing early so put all their effort and motivation into the Senate, House, Governor races; difference here is Dole was always a Party Man that would play good soldier, Trump is about himself first and foremost

[Edited on April 28, 2020 at 9:45 AM. Reason : .]

4/28/2020 9:44:07 AM

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"Pretty much all the polling is bleak for Trump right now, as you’d expect.
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EC map doesn't quite jive with the polling/favorability numbers, and we're still quite a ways away, but...

https://www.270towin.com

FL, PA, MI, NC, WI, AZ are "toss ups", but I'm not convinced Biden will carry ANY of these, let alone a winning combo of them in addition to whatever bright blue states he MUST win.

4/28/2020 2:26:10 PM

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Has Biden still been radio silent lately?

4/28/2020 2:34:25 PM

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He’s been on some but it’s pretty hard to penetrate the news much. Actually, I think he is doing something with Hilary this afternoon (I wish I was joking).

^^ PA and MI are strong Biden leans... not sure why you wouldn’t think he has a very good chance there? AZ may be a better shout for him than WI though.

4/28/2020 2:37:19 PM

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You'd think that MI/WI would be solid blue, but they're not. Plenty of working class angry whites who have already been indoctrinated and inculturated into the MAGA religion and are angry at their state/local government.

Biden isn't polling well in PA, so that's all I'm basing it on, but I'd lump them in with the other two. Ohio seems like a safe Trump bet.

[Edited on April 28, 2020 at 3:13 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2020 3:12:24 PM

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