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"In any case, I can’t quite wrap my brain around DeSantis being your #1 choice, but also being highly motivated by human rights issues."

A real puzzler!

10/15/2023 7:53:24 AM

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in a 3-way race for President between Biden, Trump and one of the following candidates, which one(s) would you support over Biden/Trump? And what percent of Americans do you think would be willing to also support that candidate against the other two?

Kamala Harris
Ron DeSantis
Hillary Clinton
Mike Pence
Pete Buttigieg
Nikki Haley

[Edited on October 15, 2023 at 10:36 PM. Reason : yes I know none of the Democrats listed are running. Feel free to pick among the GOP candidates]

10/15/2023 10:35:59 PM

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I think we NEED a Pete presidency to restore the dimensionsal rift that formed when Al gore lost in 2000

10/15/2023 11:34:24 PM

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^^

That's a painful list...

pete, I guess...

10/15/2023 11:45:57 PM

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^^^ I wouldn't vote for any of them, because my priority would be voting for Biden to deny the election to Trump. Like, I dislike Biden (as President, not personally), but Trump is many orders of magnitude worse.

But if you're asking which one(s) I am most aligned with, out of that list, I think easily Haley. I'm sure I'm much more aligned with her over anyone else on the list, or President Biden, in terms of policy (with the caveat that I have my suspicions that I'd be very well aligned with the behind-the-façade [I]real[/I] DeSantis instead of the one playing a role for GOP politics).

That said, I'm not voting for anyone who won't clearly oppose Trump and Trumpism. It's a hard stop. No playing footsie and trying to have it both ways--aligning yourself with him as much as you can, but drawing distinctions where politically necessariy--if your stance isn't something along the lines of "Fuck that halfwitted, malignant, un-American orange criminal piece of shit", then I'm not voting for you. Democrats and liberalism are loathsome, but hands-down less loathsome than Trump.

10/16/2023 12:19:23 AM

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^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wWhI3L-oa4

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" Both Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and the Iranian backers -- hate us. And we have to remember, what happened to Israel could happen here in America."


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"We don't have to wait for another 9/11"


and in another interview:
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"This is not just an attack on Israel, this is an attack on America -- because they hate us just as much... And I'll say to President Netanyahu, finish them, finish them."


Completely irresponsible for anyone hoping to be President.

10/16/2023 12:43:19 AM

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Eh. They can slaughter every member of Hamas like livestock for all I care. Sounds good. Fuck yeah, finish them.




The problem isn't with what they're gonna do to Hamas. It's what they are likely gonna do to too many innocents. Unfortunately they have to deal with Hamas, and there's no way to do it without harming/killing a lot of innocents. I just know that they tend to be overly heavy-handed.

10/16/2023 1:33:51 AM

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That's not what I'm referring to.

Her saying that this is an attack on America, raising fears about some upcoming 9/11, saying this could happen in America someday.

It's fear mongering and misleading.

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"Eh. They can slaughter every member of Hamas like livestock for all I care. Sounds good. Fuck yeah, finish them."


Also, as much as I'd like to hear the news that those responsible have "met justice", I find this kind of attitude distasteful. And I'm sure many may reply to that "why u care about my rhetoric when people are dying wah wah", doesn't matter, being that reductive of human life and the gravity of the situation really shows what kind of a person someone is when it comes down to it.
Not so much picking your comment out in particular, but about the general discussion on the issue.

[Edited on October 16, 2023 at 5:02 AM. Reason : -]

10/16/2023 4:59:20 AM

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Pence is out. Pretty wild

Looking again like trump is going to be the nominee. My prediction is in true fascist form, trump picks Kushner as his vp

10/29/2023 1:32:10 PM

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"His name is Jared. . ."

10/29/2023 1:49:16 PM

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^^ Eh, that's not that surprising to me. It was inevitable; he never had a chance. None of them do.

We might see pressure to get out early and coalesce around a non-Trump candidate, but at this point, I doubt it. I think people see that he's an inevitable nominee. In any case, that pressure hasn't arrived yet, so I'm a little surprised he didn't make this move a little later.

He was having trouble fundraising, and I don't think is on pace to qualify for the next debate, but I figured he'd bail out once that day actually came. But whatever, it was obvious months ago that this was a fool's errand.

This is really a face for VP, and to be positioned in case something crazy happens with Trump (courts invalidate him as a candidate or something, or maybe if his polling numbers crater if he's convicted of crimes and incarcerated--although I doubt that would happen, and I extra-doubt it would happen in time to change to another candidate). Maybe there are also financial incentives keeping things going for no good reason (debates and campaigns represent substantial money changing hands).


But what is clear is that this isn't really a race to unseat Trump as the GOP nominee. Not for anyone connected to facts and reality, anyway.

10/29/2023 8:37:36 PM

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Craziest scenario now is trump wins. Is found guilty of crimes, has to serve jail time, he’s ruled incapacitated while in jail and the vp is president during that time.

Who would trumpists want? None of the current candidates have enough loyalty

If this happens though it seems hard to believe the USA can maintain any kind of mantle of global leadership. The deference other countries have would erode, we get cut out of trade deals, the concentration of wealth we’ve amassed bleeds out, and some other country— maybe China— takes over as the global standard bearer

10/29/2023 8:47:13 PM

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part of why I'm pro more local power

keep on sending it to the federal govt. and eventually you're too top heavy and you fall to the side

10/29/2023 8:54:19 PM

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^^ he would definitely pardon himself first, which would then prob end up in the courts

10/29/2023 10:09:44 PM

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the reckoning

[Edited on October 29, 2023 at 11:04 PM. Reason : I think that the president should be able to pardon themselves]

10/29/2023 11:04:09 PM

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Why?

10/29/2023 11:36:44 PM

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https://blog.independent.org/2023/10/24/can-a-president-pardon-himself/
this sums up some of my technical position

and from a political perspective
I also think that it is a necessary unfairness
it should ultimately be in the hands of congress and if congress cannot act in such a serious situation, then you have bigger problems than just the president

10/30/2023 2:12:44 AM

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Congress cannot impose criminal punishments. Only political ones.

I fail to see what possible good comes of empowering someone to excuse their own guilty behavior.

10/30/2023 6:10:52 AM

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"Congress cannot impose criminal punishments. Only political ones."


Yeah, they can remove him from his position. which is what is relevant to me cause
I think the role of president takes a greater role over his individual personhood at the time. I don't think there is "good" coming from it, I think that it is just important for the system

10/30/2023 6:10:21 PM

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Seems like a President being able to pardon himself would kind of go against the concept of checks and balances betwen the 3 branches

10/30/2023 7:10:11 PM

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Stop making sense!

10/30/2023 9:52:41 PM

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^^

Not really.

congress can remove him from the presidency if they wish to do so. and I'd argue that a self pardon is more than enough cause to justify that

The President controls the DOJ, as he should imo. should be answerable to congress

going on a bit of a tangent, but if we keep on reducing congress's role and responsibility in things, that itself weakens the balance of government

and he is still liable for any state charges

This was actually also discussed in the late 1700s

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-3-2/ALDE_00013317/
good read

It's interesting to think of the latter part of this reading as well in the possibility of Trump pardoning the jan6 crew. the guys back then discussed that stuff

10/30/2023 11:50:08 PM

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^But in a democracy, it's pretty obvious that an elected congress is not an unbiased check against an elected president. There should be a third entity independent of the current election zeitgeist that holds a check against any criminal behavior of elected officials.

That is the only reliable check against a demagogue.

And do please note that my suggestion in no way diminishes the power of congress.

[Edited on October 31, 2023 at 2:02 AM. Reason : ]

10/31/2023 1:45:01 AM

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It doesn't diminish it directly

expectations are what matter at the end of the day

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"it's pretty obvious that an elected congress is not an unbiased check against an elected presiden"


the DOJ is under the president, remember the saturday night massacre? sure some stuff was ruled illegal, but if we're talking about "unbiased".

we can't do stuff based on what seems the most just, we need to look at the root, not the branch

[Edited on October 31, 2023 at 2:21 AM. Reason : -]

10/31/2023 2:15:56 AM

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^Please point out to me in the Constitution where it says the president shall not be subject to indictment by the executive branch (as in the FBI, for example).

My proposal is absolutely consistent with the Constitution.

And mentioning the fact that the DOJ is under control of the president is irrelevant to the point I have already made: Having congress as the only check on the president is obviously biased in the president's favor, due to the election zeitgeist at a given time. If the Constitution does not address this, then the Constitution should be amended.

10/31/2023 2:22:45 AM

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And it doesn't diminish the power of Congress at all. Please point out how my proposal takes any power from Congress: They still have the power of impeachment. Subjecting the president to checks outside of Congress not only does not diminish the power of Congress, it is essential, due to electoral bias in a given era.

10/31/2023 2:25:05 AM

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"Please point out to me in the Constitution where it says the president shall not be subject to indictment by the executive branch (as in the FBI, for example)."


How does that matter? The DOJ has said itself for decades in its own policy say that they will not indict a sitting president because it would cause unconstitutional circumstances.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/indictment_of_presidents#:~:text=The%20Department%20of%20Justice%20(DOJ,see%20this%20Attorney%20General%20Memo).

The Supreme Court can overturn unconstitutional laws or actions by the President. So, no, Congress isn't the only way to stop the President, and you don't need to remove them to stop something from happening.

And I think you're overexaggerating on Congress. If that is the case, then if anything, you should be more focused on decreasing the powers of the President if this is of that much concern.

If Congress isn't serious enough to remove a president in a severe situation, then I think it is irrelevant cause we have bigger issues at hand, and the executive branch sure as hell isn't gonna do anything in that situation, hell they wouldnt indict in any, as is their own policy
which is why I repeat the focus on reducing powers if that is your concern, be realistic

10/31/2023 2:43:04 AM

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"congress can remove him from the presidency if they wish to do so. and I'd argue that a self pardon is more than enough cause to justify that"


So the only penalty for whatever crime would be 'not being president anymore'?

10/31/2023 7:15:03 AM

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Which already happens anyway with time. Pretty brutal!

10/31/2023 8:07:37 AM

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It reminds me of the horrible persecution of Kavanaugh when the worst case was going to be "doesn't get to be on the Supreme Court", horror.

10/31/2023 9:29:29 AM

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"you should be more focused on decreasing the powers of the President if this is of that much concern"


Decreasing the powers of the President is exactly what I AM doing by saying he should be subject to criminal prosecution, just like the rest of us.

10/31/2023 10:40:35 AM

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"So the only penalty for whatever crime would be 'not being president anymore'?"


He can be charged with state level crimes, but he literally can't be charged federally while being president cause it breaks the system, the DOJ say this themselves as I said earlier

It's not a matter of "what I want to happen" ideally, of course I'd want someone to see justice

But if they're in federal jail, AND THEY'RE ELECTED PRESIDENT, I see no problem with them pardoning themselves
If we have a command in chief sitting in prison, do we just let them sit there, lmao

The bigger problem should be why a country elected a president who is in jail, which is why if we must do something, it is lower their influence/power in general if that worries you, and decentralize it a bit
return more powers from the executive agencies to congress

if you try to build a perfect system it'll crumble

11/1/2023 9:32:14 PM

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So you don’t see a prob if pardon themselves because its a national security interest or what?

11/1/2023 9:48:28 PM

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Trump is ALREADY charged with federal crimes

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"But if they're in federal jail, AND THEY'RE ELECTED PRESIDENT, I see no problem with them pardoning themselves "


Wild


Also I'll get right on limiting exec power, I'll get back to you in a couple days when I'm done

[Edited on November 1, 2023 at 10:08 PM. Reason : E]

11/1/2023 10:05:37 PM

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"But if they're in federal jail, AND THEY'RE ELECTED PRESIDENT, I see no problem with them pardoning themselves"


Oh, you sweet summer child...

11/2/2023 1:39:31 AM

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"If we have a command in chief sitting in prison, do we just let them sit there, lmao"




Here's a crazy idea: In that case, how about we follow the succession of the presidency?

11/2/2023 11:09:45 AM

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Can’t pardon state crimes.

Georgia legislators could pardon though

Also if voters vote for someone imminently going to jail seems reasonable they could self pardon. Doing this happen to Netanyahu?

11/3/2023 11:48:08 PM

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Tim Scott is suspending his campaign

Question is who are they converging to in the backrooms to face trump… desantis is still up but Haley is on his heels ( ).

I have a feeling it’ll be Haley because with abortion on the ballot women are going to destroy trump or desantis where as they might have a chance to salvage the down ballot with Haley.

[Edited on November 12, 2023 at 10:09 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2023 10:06:54 PM

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"desantis is still up but Haley is on his heels ( )."


Lol vivek got them good on that one

[Edited on November 12, 2023 at 10:31 PM. Reason : !]

11/12/2023 10:31:16 PM

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I’m seeing now Scott is claiming donations dried up because gop kingmakers think he’s gay and didn’t want a Black guy anyway

https://reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/17u1gp3/tim_scott_is_dropping_out_of_the_gop_primary_no/

Maybe he’ll start spilling beans

11/12/2023 11:29:00 PM

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I wonder how pompeo would do in this field

11/12/2023 11:33:00 PM

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r/LeopardsEatMyFace doesn't make much sense

if his policies are Republican, why should he not be in that party and try to change it on the other issues it might have

it's like saying immigrants to America in the early/mid 20th century should've been r/LeopardsEatMyFace'd by their compatriots back in their home countries for choosing to associate with a country with a significant amount of people who see them as less

11/12/2023 11:39:28 PM

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^^ He would get his shit pushed in like all the rest of them. That's like saying "I wonder how Mike Pompeo would have fared if he vied for control of the Branch Davidians against David Koresh?"

Fuckin' poorly, that's how.

The only reasons to even have a GOP primary is to have a venue for people to jockey for the VP spot, and I think there's a considerable chance Trump won't choose any of them anyway. The only other reason is to have someone in case he's barred by the courts under the 14A in so many states that he can't win (super long shot), or drops dead.

Ronald Reagan couldn't win the 2024 GOP primary if he was alive and promised to name Jesus as his running mate.

11/13/2023 12:43:04 AM

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^^that is a terrible comparison

11/13/2023 6:40:43 AM

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No, not really. the logic is the same

reddit is just a place for losers to cheer each other on while accomplishing nothing.

anyways, I've decided that I'm gonna vote for Biden in 2024. Not as a "cause we have no other options" thing either. I like him

11/14/2023 1:38:39 PM

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A party leader and an immigrant are two wildly different situations

If reddit is for losers what does that make tww

11/14/2023 1:54:33 PM

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^
the immigrant leaders of their time were also often the richer people of that community that pushed change forward.
If there are people that oppose him based on his race, why should he compromise his own values? Doesn't make much sense.
there isn't any other major conservative party. by putting his face out there, he is normalizing his race and community more and doing what he can.
doesn't deserve to be mocked for that unless he himself put his own community down for the Republicans. then that would be a r/Leopardswhatever moment.

Lol, at least we have a common background upon which to justify this engagement

11/14/2023 2:27:49 PM

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Loser rejects!

11/14/2023 2:46:27 PM

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^^^^^^

If trump is choosing a vp with the expectation that he will have to step down for legal reasons… who does he choose?

The worst possible person would be Stephen miller, followed by Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner would cause the most outrage since that’s his son in law, but trump tends to do the most outrage thing possible.

Anyway seems like things are going to get way more worse before they have a chance of getting better.

11/14/2023 6:23:44 PM

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Trump is not going to contemplate stepping down for anyone. That's a non-starter.

11/14/2023 7:19:29 PM

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