0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
For a long time Trump has denied he has done anything wrong as POTUS. He has now gotten so brazen that he overtly screws the American public and the government and basically says to them:
"Fuck you, y'all are too impotent to do anything about it."
Karma... love it! 9/20/2019 3:56:36 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
So corrupt, they'll investigate corruption. 9/20/2019 5:16:24 PM |
rjrumfel All American 23027 Posts user info edit post |
Don't see how Trump gets out of this without impeachment.
And why? I mean, Biden didn't even need investigating. He would've ended up doing himself in with something before the primaries ended. I guess in his mind there was honestly nothing wrong with it. 9/23/2019 10:43:55 AM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Don't see how Trump gets out of this without impeachment" |
Step 1: have Pelosi as SOTH
end steps9/23/2019 10:48:44 AM |
utowncha All American 900 Posts user info edit post |
today rjrumfel learned donald trump gets away with everything 9/23/2019 10:58:19 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
so trump just admitted the quid to the already admitted to quo- he confirmed they also talked about money https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/1176147252869574657
so trump has now admitted to holding up money to ukraine in exchange for ukraine investigating biden 9/23/2019 1:02:09 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
https://twitter.com/acosta/status/1176209116693520384?s=21
Normal guy saying normal stuff.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1176206521287544832?s=21
Video. He’s literally insane.
[Edited on September 23, 2019 at 3:01 PM. Reason : X] 9/23/2019 2:59:50 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
He's not being impeached by the senate either way and although I think he should be impeached for a bunch of domestic things, this doesn't seem like Trump did a crime at all and it seems to only be a big deal because of the passionate love for the Obama administration.
Ignore the "having his political opponent investigated" part of the narrative for a second and answer some questions:
Isn't it the duty of the executive branch to investigate possible crimes and corruption that has taken place by american citizens abroad?
Can incidental quid pro quo count as quid pro quo? He asked him to investigate but didn't say "or else you won't get the money until you do this for me?"
Investigating someone for something they already admitted in public isn't personal gain. I could see if it was something to benefit his hotel but Biden in jail doesn't even benefit Trump. Is biden supposed to have political immunity for any crimes he may have committed?
Is Trump supposed to just overlook possible Biden corruption just because he might be running against him next year?
I remember being so angry at Obama for not investigating the crimes committed by the Bush administration. He's now culpable for all they did.
[Edited on September 23, 2019 at 4:00 PM. Reason : he hasn't done any swamp draining yet but this would definitely qualify] 9/23/2019 3:39:29 PM |
rhinosponge All American 699 Posts user info edit post |
^who the fuck is this guy? 9/23/2019 3:50:33 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
a simple minded dude who was tricked into becomming a trump fans by russians on reddit and twitter 9/23/2019 4:17:33 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
MOST of that post is bullshit but
Quote : | "He's not being impeached by the senate either way " |
Luckily (I thought with Dems winning), the House holds the power of impeachment, Senate doesn't get a say (unless the House leader begs the senate for permission which seems like a fantasy???)9/23/2019 4:35:07 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Obviously he is referring to conviction and removal, on which he is right.
The other stuff is straight out of MAGA twitter and a complete misunderstanding of the entire situation. It’s always amazing how easily Earl falls for rightwing talking points. 9/23/2019 4:48:16 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
IIRC, Impeachment just means formal charges of wrongdoing. It doesn't mean anything besides that. The Senate votes on removal, and you need 2/3rds of senators for it to happen. 9/23/2019 4:49:25 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Obviously he is referring to conviction and removal, on which he is right." |
If he is gonna post these bullshit rants, he can communicate effectively. Hardly anyone calling for impeachment thinks "removal from office" is a likely result, but it is still extremely worthwhile for the House to take it up and saying the senate is stopping them is total bullshit.9/23/2019 4:53:55 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
I guess symbolically, it's important. Only 2 other presidents have both been impeached, and neither of them was removed from office.
It will probably enthuse both dems/GOP come 2020, and waste lots of time and money in the process, but it's the right thing to do, so pull the trigger already. 9/23/2019 5:02:33 PM |
daaave Suspended 1331 Posts user info edit post |
Impeachment is good because it distracts Trump from doing other things, like starting a war with Iran. 9/23/2019 5:09:49 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
And sends the signal Dems think his crimes are bad and worth investigating with the full power of the US house! And puts his corrupt, lying dirtbag administration member in front of the the camera under oath over and over! And makes Trump mad! And is the right thing to do! And puts Republicans on the hook to go on the record saying "this is OK!" etc etc etc 9/23/2019 5:37:24 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
^none of that accomplishes anything tangible. I'd be for impeaching Trump if it was for the human rights violations but democrats can't push that because they'd be implicated so they have to look past all of the human rights violations and push some collusion part 2 bs. Whoops the whistleblower didn't even have first hand information. I'm starting to wonder if the whistleblower was actually working for Trump because this whole thing is playing out to his advantage....AGAIN
Quote : | "rightwing talking points." |
You always makes lazy assumptions. If you paid attention, you'd know I"m a socialist. A little bit of critical thinking would make you wonder how a Trump supporter or someone who always falls for rightwing talking points could still believe in socialist policies. Critical thinking is a lot more difficult than "anyone who doesn't lose thier mind over every single thing Trump does is a Trump supporter" though
You can't keep drawing conclusions based on two point correlations.9/23/2019 7:47:04 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Whoops the whistleblower didn't even have first hand information. I'm starting to wonder if the whistleblower was actually working for Trump because this whole thing is playing out to his advantage....AGAIN" |
Right wing talking point.
Source: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1176276184054685697?s=21
We don’t know that yet. Such an easy mark. MAGA Earl, MAGA.
There are leftist trump fans. You are one. Whether explicitly or implicitly it doesn’t matter
[Edited on September 23, 2019 at 8:25 PM. Reason : One]9/23/2019 8:23:45 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
the only thing worse than impeachment without conviction (or trial, let's be honest mcconnell wouldn't even let there be a trial) is democrats not even impeaching 9/23/2019 8:31:12 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "none of that accomplishes anything tangible" |
Everything I listed is in fact a tangible result with political consequences9/23/2019 8:39:21 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
If the truth comes out, and it's as bad as it actually looks, the Dems need to be swift as fuck to impeach and get it over with ASAP. Like within a few weeks, tops. Barr had plenty of time to cover up the Mueller report, given how long that whole investigation took, and the public got bored/annoyed/frustrated with the lack of a smoking gun. Trump and his cronies don't have the same luxury of time to work with this go around. This story went from being a "rumor" less than a week ago, to Trump essentially full on admitting to it today. I called it last week with the Rudy meltdown, and everyone else should be able to see what's happening pretty easily. Time to act fast.
The reality is that the narrative of "oh, the Senate will never impeach Trump" could actually change pretty damn quickly. In fact, plenty of spineless GOP cowards could very well decide to stab Trump in the back to save their own skins.
This is all wishful thinking on my part, of course, because the grim reality is that Trump has already demonstrated he can get away with anything he wants and nothing will happen to him.
[Edited on September 23, 2019 at 11:59 PM. Reason : .] 9/23/2019 11:58:36 PM |
utowncha All American 900 Posts user info edit post |
well whatever happens i sure hope he isnt matched against clinton 2.0 !!
!!! 9/24/2019 7:48:05 AM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Everything I listed is in fact a tangible result with political consequences" |
Then you are out of touch with your definition of "tangible". Children are in concentration camps. People are dying. Yet you think "making trump mad" or "republicans saying trump is ok" is tangible.9/24/2019 3:47:55 PM |
rjrumfel All American 23027 Posts user info edit post |
NM it was a dumb question
[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 9:41 PM. Reason : ?] 9/24/2019 9:25:16 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Does trump think he can fire Nancy Pelosi? 9/25/2019 8:53:50 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
He was so insanely off the rocker yesterday that it’s hard to tell but I think he was trying to say that she can’t control her caucus and far left runs the house.
Also, the bananas CrowdStrike thing in the memo is definitely an effort to STILL absolve Russia of the DNC hacking. He is essentially chasing Seth Rich conspiracies (which I’m sure one or two on here love). 9/26/2019 7:45:34 AM |
Cabbage All American 2087 Posts user info edit post |
LOL
Quote : | "To show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!" |
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11775390526833090569/27/2019 7:33:16 AM |
BJCaudill21 Not an alcoholic 8015 Posts user info edit post |
Am I an idiot or is Liddle' a word and Liddle isn't? 9/27/2019 8:03:14 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
well to start an apostrophe isn't a hyphen 9/27/2019 8:39:59 AM |
Cabbage All American 2087 Posts user info edit post |
I'm pretty sure it's spelled Li'l. 9/27/2019 8:49:20 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Trump does a great job “discribing” what dementia is. 9/27/2019 9:35:52 AM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
It's "Lil John", everybody knows that 9/27/2019 10:01:07 AM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
What is he trying to say tho? 9/27/2019 11:41:22 AM |
daaave Suspended 1331 Posts user info edit post |
lmao he just congratulated China on the 70th anniversary of it's establishment as a communist state
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1178986524630802432 10/1/2019 11:27:31 AM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""But later in a meeting, aides recalled, [Trump] suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down."" |
Scum10/1/2019 8:05:55 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
10/5/2019 2:08:58 PM |
theDuke866 All American 52839 Posts user info edit post |
Access Hollywood tape was released 3 years ago today.
Hard to believe, from today's vantage point, that there was serious consideration as to whether that might be a bridge too far--the thing that GOP voters finally wouldn't tolerate or excuse. Hell, I'm not even certain it makes the greatest hits album at this point. 10/7/2019 1:57:35 AM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah looking into Biden is definitely worse than bragging about consistently sexually assaulting random women. 10/7/2019 2:05:52 AM |
utowncha All American 900 Posts user info edit post |
not sure if the right thread but, "bye kurds nice knowin ya." 10/7/2019 6:44:27 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
I admittedly don’t know much about the Turkish-Kurd thing but it’s apparent this wasn’t thought out at all given the Kurds themselves nor any of our allies (UK or EU countries) knew it was going to be announced.
He literally had a call with Erdogan and just did it...
What’s the Earl/Blumenthal take on Erdogan? Is he a Golden God who just loves his people like al-Assad?
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/194484731801387008?s=21
Thankfully, we have the biggest crusader against corruption our country has ever seen in office. I’m sure he’ll investigate if this decision was clouded by existing business interests.
[Edited on October 7, 2019 at 8:12 AM. Reason : X] 10/7/2019 8:05:31 AM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley have both asked Trump to reverse the decision.
I don't really understand the broader implications of pulling out and giving Turkey free reign, but I can't see how burning one of our longest allies that fought closely with our people can result in anything good. This has to be demoralizing for American soldiers that fought with these people too. 10/7/2019 10:20:37 AM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
I recently watched a TV show (on Vice maybe) that showed ex-US soldiers still over there voluntarily fighting with the Kurds.
In other news: https://www.wral.com/judge-tosses-out-trump-challenge-to-tax-return-turnover/18682134/ https://www.npr.org/2019/10/07/767830713/federal-judge-rules-trump-must-hand-over-8-years-of-tax-returns
[Edited on October 7, 2019 at 10:52 AM. Reason : ] 10/7/2019 10:49:14 AM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
^ Stayed on appeal 10/7/2019 11:18:08 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1181187256427712512?s=21
This is just so fucked up. He’ll likely back down but we were working with the Kurds to de-escalate and if Trump gets his way it’s very likely the Kurds will have trusted us and made the decision to break down security only to be facing genocide.
All because Erdogan probably told Trump he likes Trump Tower Istanbul.
https://twitter.com/nwadhams/status/1181233740246376449?s=21
It appears State and Defense are basically just ignoring the insane guy so that’s good
[Edited on October 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM. Reason : X] 10/7/2019 11:33:10 AM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)." |
The guy just exudes stable genius.10/7/2019 2:01:07 PM |
HaLo All American 14263 Posts user info edit post |
10/7/2019 5:43:47 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Make no mistake. Wanting to protect the Kurds and thinking the US should be physically involved with boots on the ground are two completely different things.
I don't like Turkey being able to go in there but the US has NO BUSINESS over there. We need to put diplomatic pressure on Turkey to leave the Kurds alone but we don't need to be arming anyone or fighting anyone. We could quid pro quo or alliance with Turkey which sounds like what he's already threatening. Syria is not our responsibility. Work on home.
All in all the US getting out of the region is one of the best things I've ever heard in foreign policy. I probably disagree with Trump's reasoning but am happy about this result. Fuck Turkey though. Honestly we don't need them in NATO. NATO probably needs to be dissolved anyway. We certainly shouldn't be obliged to helping Turkey unconditionally.
[Edited on October 7, 2019 at 6:50 PM. Reason : NATO is obsolete and a neocon drain on the US.] 10/7/2019 6:49:18 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Trump planning to pull out of the open skies treaty
Seems very strange
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04/news-briefs/open-skies-treaty-flights-resume-2019
Seems like trump is trying to recreate the early 20th centuries with multiple counties vying for status as a military power and possibly more nuclear proliferation? 10/7/2019 8:56:58 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Apparently a week ago the US negotiated a deal where we defend the Kurds in exchange the Kurds remove fortifications.
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/09/03/us-backed-syrian-kurds-to-remove-fortifications-from-turkish-border-as-part-of-safe-zone-deal/
It appears trumps agreement with Assad blew this deal up. 10/7/2019 11:01:06 PM |