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"The system isn't working and ..."

Aaannnd....ignore.

3/5/2020 6:58:12 AM

Tucker literally blamed Coronavirus’ spread on homeless people in CA LAST FUCKING NIGHT.

Earl is absolutely, 100% percent supporting Trump.

[Edited on March 5, 2020 at 8:12 AM. Reason : Nihilism makes for strange bedfellows]

3/5/2020 8:05:40 AM

It's been a very interesting real time look into how the 4chan type gets radicalized first with "just reading all sides" into more and more right wing blog sites to becomming a full-on Carlson-watching Fox News viewer.

3/5/2020 9:02:05 AM

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""The system isn't working and ..." Aaannnd....ignore. "

So since the system is working for you, you're just going to ignore anyone who claims the system isn't working? Sounds about white.

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"Tucker literally blamed Coronavirus’ spread on homeless people in CA LAST FUCKING NIGHT."

Ad hominem once again. Tucker's stance on coronavirus renders is supposed to refute his position on every other topic?

3/5/2020 1:29:35 PM

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"So since the system is working for you, you're just going to ignore anyone who claims the system isn't working? Sounds about white."

We are in a period of unprecedented peace and prosperity, both nationally and globally. Do we need to continue finding inefficiencies in the system and fix them? Of course. But to suggest the system isn't working, so lets burn it to the ground is illogical.

3/5/2020 1:39:35 PM

I challenge you to reassess who exactly the "we" you're referring to is because my "we" are in a period of global ecological collapse, decreasing life expectancy, and wage stagnation amidst ever rise cost of living. Certainly that "we" does not include the 123 million workers living paycheck to paycheck, 500,000 American children growing up with lead in their blood, the 700,000 people sleeping on the street tonight or the 450,000 incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses.

If a world with 70 million refugees, an $800B military budget, a 20-year ongoing war, and combat in 7 countries is what you call "unprecented peace", I ask you to reassess your definition of peace.

3/5/2020 1:59:24 PM

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"peace and prosperity"

We're in military conflicts with multiple countries, at constant nuclear standoffs with others and are in the process of militariziing our southern border (and police/ice)

[Edited on March 5, 2020 at 2:05 PM. Reason : I'm earl]

3/5/2020 2:05:35 PM

How about the global we:


I ask YOU to reassess your definition of peace



[Edited on March 5, 2020 at 3:44 PM. Reason : 1]

3/5/2020 3:44:21 PM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1235665090432708608?s=21

This is fucking pathetic. What a sad, lonely human.

3/5/2020 3:47:08 PM

^^
Here's a refutation of that first graph for anyone who is interested. Good read.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/29/bill-gates-davos-global-poverty-infographic-neoliberal

3/5/2020 3:49:10 PM

Here is the difference between you, a socialist, and me, a free-thinking capitalist. I am not afraid to share opinions that conflict with my opinion. However, I can also be transparent and post both sides of the argument.

For any one who is intellectually honest, below is a good summary of the dispute between Hickel and Pinker, that looks at the arguments from both sides. The main takeaway:

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"Everyone agrees that since 1981, the incomes of the world’s poorest people have gone up — even Hickel has disavowed his Guardian headline, saying it was forced upon him by editors. Everyone agrees incomes for the poor haven’t gone up enough, and that $1.90 per day is hardly enough for a human being to live a decent life. "

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/2/12/18215534/bill-gates-global-poverty-chart

3/5/2020 4:14:28 PM

I AIN'T NEVAH SCARED

3/5/2020 5:00:14 PM

we are still involved in the longest war in US history, but it it's only effects brown people and poor soldiers so who the fuck cares, right?

3/5/2020 5:13:56 PM

It's wild that graph was meant to be the proof of "unprecedented peace"

3/5/2020 5:23:36 PM

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"Here is the difference between you, a socialist, and me, a free-thinking capitalist. I am not afraid to share opinions that conflict with my opinion. However, I can also be transparent and post both sides of the argument. For any one who is intellectually honest, below is a good summary of the dispute between Hickel and Pinker, that looks at the arguments from both sides. The main takeaway:"

We're all impressed by your consistent intellectual honesty.

The takeaway is that $1.9/day is an arbitrary number that allows Gates et al to inflate their argument that neoliberal capitalism has made the world a better place, when actually $7.40 is the number we should be using for basic nutrition and life expectancy. That number has dropped from 71% to 58% of the world population, while global wealth inequality is growing. Any compassionate and rational individual should be asking why we aren't doing more.

Additionally, from Hickel's counterargument to Pinker:

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"The vast majority of gains against poverty have happened in one region: East Asia. As it happens, the economic success of China and the East Asian tigers – as scholars like Ha-Joon Chang and Robert Wade have long pointed out – is due not to the neoliberal markets that you espouse but rather state-led industrial policy, protectionism and regulation (the same measures that Western nations used to such great effect during their own period of industrial consolidation). They liberalized, to be sure – but they did so gradually and on their own terms. "

Sounds the real argument is for state-run economies, not free market capitalism.

3/5/2020 6:29:57 PM

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1235718673530314757?s=21

Lol. Biden could be a wheeled up corpse and this muppet wouldn’t roll him in a debate. These debates are going to be unwatchable.

3/5/2020 7:10:44 PM

Biden is trumps best case scenario to debate. I originally thought trump would skip the debates but I think he would debate Biden.

He wouldn’t even attempt if it was warren or sanders.

3/6/2020 1:01:42 AM

I mean, if this years debates are any indication, Biden isn’t going to do that well versus Trump. Not that he will do awful. He didn’t even do well against Sarah Palin.

3/6/2020 1:55:11 AM

So Trump is now blaming Obama for the pandemic? WTF? He undid Obama's policies/procedures for pandemic readiness in the first place. What a POS.

3/6/2020 3:30:52 AM

I’m actually surprised how little talk on here there has been about just how awful and dangerous the administrations response has been. People are going to die from it and it basically is an afterthought.

Again, not to sound like a broken record but the only one I’ve seen consistently beat the drum on how awful and why the response is disastrous has been Hayes. The rest seem to think of it as something political that Trump has to overcome to prop up his economy.

[Edited on March 6, 2020 at 6:17 AM. Reason : X]

3/6/2020 6:16:55 AM

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"I’m actually surprised how little talk on here there has been about just how awful and dangerous the administrations response has been. People are going to die from it and it basically is an afterthought."

To be fair that's no different from how the Europeans have been. I've been following this daily from mid-January and there's been so much "THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM THE FLU" bullshit that health officials globally have spread that whole time.

[Edited on March 6, 2020 at 7:23 AM. Reason : /]

3/6/2020 7:23:15 AM

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1236053765503016960?s=21

No one disagrees this dude should be in a psych ward, right?

This entire twitter thread is downright terrifying.

3/6/2020 6:22:34 PM

^
Sad thing is his supporters don’t see that as looney, unfit behavior. They love it.

Even sadder is none of the professional people around him who want to do the right thing for the public has the balls to question him. Kind of amazing to see...

3/6/2020 11:25:09 PM

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" Trump names Rep. Mark Meadows his chief of staff, replacing Mick Mulvaney, who had been acting in the role."

Probably doesn’t help it was leaked that mulvaney doesn’t agree with trump on everything.

3/6/2020 11:27:24 PM

https://apnews.com/921ad7f1f08d7634bf681ba785faf269

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" Official: White House didn’t want to tell seniors not to fly"

while there have been a ton of stories that should’ve sunk his chances for re-election, this really could be the one

3/7/2020 10:12:53 PM

they also told military leaders not to give instructions that contradicted the white houses statements that it was under control and now we have a sailor that tested positive, and it will only get worse because more members of the miltary will definitely get infected

3/7/2020 10:26:34 PM

^^ I’ve talked to a lot of people who think it’s being overhyped. These are not people who watch Fox News but for some reason they don’t think it’s different from the flu. The key thing is people don’t seem to grasp rates and percentages... one person even said since the polls were wrong about Hillary these statistics must also be wrong. I guess maybe when deaths hit a thousand people might start to pay attention.

3/8/2020 9:38:07 PM

I know a lot of intelligent people all over the political spectrum saying at least one of the following:

-its manufactured panic/media hype
-the death numbers could be achieved simply by counting how many old people die due to cold any year with or without a pandemic
-china did this to shut down production, consolidate control, and tank the global economy as a tantrum over losing trump's trade war
-theres a meme being spread explaining how every election year has a pandemic

3/8/2020 9:42:28 PM

I was reading about the Spanish flu response and the places that had more responsive measures to reduce social contact saved the most lives.



https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/what-worked-in-1918-1919.html

3/8/2020 10:11:49 PM

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" Countries where the CDC is planning to scale back include some of the world’s hot spots for emerging infectious disease, such as China"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/02/01/cdc-to-cut-by-80-percent-efforts-to-prevent-global-disease-outbreak/

From February 2018

3/8/2020 10:31:28 PM

Democrats are probably too stupid to cut an add with a split-screen with the market/virus news on one side and his sweaty, desperate, non-sensical and pathetic twitter rambling on the other.

Cool, we have the dumbest motherfucker on earth as President.

3/9/2020 7:44:56 AM

^ email Mike Bloomberg.. he'll do it.

https://www.mikebloomberg.com/

3/9/2020 8:28:05 AM

So he's trying to keep the markets calm by suppressing the infection rate (we have among the lowest of the world) by not increasing the amount of tests fast enough? He's partnering that with blindly reassuring news.

The experts are saying we don't need blanket protocols because those with age and preexisting conditions can talk it over with their doctor. Everyone else should go on with good hygiene while clusters are handled on a local level. Its not the best response but its what you should expect from capitalism.

Is that what NYM is mad about?

[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 10:50 AM. Reason : k]

3/10/2020 10:50:22 AM

https://twitter.com/ncdhhs/status/1237408712559669250?s=21

300 tests capacity. Good stuff.

Do we have any idea exactly how the richest country on earth is basically dead last in being able to test its patients for this? I’m struggling to understand how this is anything but a slow-play in order to prop up equity markets?

3/10/2020 1:35:20 PM

UNC, Duke, and Labcorp should be ready for testing soon

3/10/2020 1:43:45 PM

^^Its not a surprise at all. We are dead last in almost everything that doesn't fill the pockets of the corporate elite. Thanks to people like you who continuously show up and blindly vote for corporate-backed politicians. Its not different than if you were to look at how we fair with all the other public health crises such as homelessness, childhood hunger, infant mortality, early education and metabolic disorder.

[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 2:18 PM. Reason : this is capitalism ]

3/10/2020 2:18:02 PM

goddamnit NyM, coronavirus is your fault!

3/10/2020 2:19:16 PM

Its no one's fault. Not even Trump's. No amount of testing could stop the spread. This can't be stopped Its just a matter of how much intervention we need to slow it down and prolong it or have a lot of people get it suddenly. If its too prolonged, it will do extra damage to the economy but if its too sudden it could overwhelm the healthcare system. The happy medium is an amount of intervention where it spreads quickly but not quite enough to overwhelm hospitals. You'll know they messed up if hospitals overflow. That hasn't happened yet so the response has been fine. Italy messed up.



[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 2:32 PM. Reason : italy china and iran had hospitals overwhelmed. Not us. ]

3/10/2020 2:31:33 PM

Trump is managing this perfectly, Trump is a very fit, healthy and attractive leader who has a natural understanding of pandemics. Every day people come up to him and say, "sir, how do you know so much about this?"

3/10/2020 2:39:54 PM

Hey its nobody's fault! Cool! Let's all just relax and wait for this to blow over! Problems don't have solutions!

3/10/2020 2:59:59 PM

Vietnam and South Korea effectively Stopped the spread. USA completely botched our initial response and by all accounts we’re not anywhere close to the best practices established in those countries. South Korea didn’t even enact lock downs, they just have very organized testing and quarantine for sick people.

We’re not even doing what was done in 1918 to control the spread of that flu pandemic.

3/10/2020 3:01:45 PM

Yeah well its common knowledge that south korea has a better public health infrastructure than we do. We can't just overnight decide to be an advanced nation and see results. Thats a systemic issue and our system is trash. Trump didn't create our system and didn't fix it.

With that said, South Korea has had 58 deaths with 5 just today displaying that even the best systems are not immune to the spread of this virus.

3/10/2020 3:30:37 PM

ya boy donald trump fired the entire pandemic response chain of command
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

3/10/2020 3:38:24 PM

Cmon dtr ANYBODY could have done that jeez

3/10/2020 3:42:40 PM

you're right, probably obama did it

3/10/2020 3:46:07 PM

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3074469/coronavirus-south-korea-cuts-infection-rate-without

Here’s a detailed look at what s Korea did. Openness in information was a key thing, the opposite of what the trump admin is doing.

3/10/2020 6:05:12 PM

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"Vietnam and South Korea effectively Stopped the spread."

*Socialist Republic of Vietnam

3/10/2020 6:11:30 PM

They had to work out how the tests would be paid for first. Sounds familiar. ITT DT invented capitalism and paygo.

3/10/2020 6:49:20 PM

Trump is doing great, is blameless and very intelligent and attractive. Very fit. Virus is being contained, thank you Trump!

‘It’s Just Everywhere Already’: How Delays in Testing Set Back the U.S. Coronavirus Response
A series of missed chances by the federal government to ensure more widespread testing came during the early days of the outbreak, when containment would have been easier.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html

doctor started testing on their own, found a case, and:

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"The state laboratory, finally able to begin testing, confirmed the result the next morning. The teenager, who had recovered from his illness, was located and informed just after he entered his school building. He was sent home and the school was later closed as a precaution. Later that day, the investigators and Seattle health officials gathered with representatives of the C.D.C. and the F.D.A. to discuss what happened. The message from the federal government was blunt. “What they said on that phone call very clearly was cease and desist to Helen Chu,” Dr. Lindquist remembered. “Stop testing.”"

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"Still, the troubling finding reshaped how officials understood the outbreak. Seattle Flu Study scientists quickly sequenced the genome of the virus, finding a genetic variation also present in the country’s first coronavirus case. The implications were unnerving. There was a good chance that the virus had been circulating silently in the community for around six weeks, infecting potentially hundreds of people."

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"As new samples came in, Dr. Starita’s laboratory also worked their way backward through some older samples that had been sitting in the freezers for weeks, finding cases that date back to at least Feb. 20 — seven days before public health officials had any idea the virus was in the community. The scientists said they believe that they will find evidence that the virus was infecting people even earlier, and that they could have alerted authorities sooner if they had been allowed to test. But on Monday night, state regulators, enforcing Medicare rules, stepped in and again told them to stop until they could finish getting certified as a clinical laboratory, a process that could take many weeks."

3/11/2020 10:35:02 AM

Testing doesn't stop the spread of the virus. It allows you to further delay the inevitable spread.

[Edited on March 11, 2020 at 10:50 AM. Reason : is every other country with spread failing too? Denmark? Switzerland? France? ]

3/11/2020 10:49:24 AM