So that's where Glenwood South will go during the day.

4/24/2013 12:42:48 PM

Ahh, interesting. But if you live somewhere with a good pool scene there's probably no point to this. Still, it reminds me a bit of a beach themed bar in NY that had several volleyball courts and tons and tons of sand brought in from the Jersey Shore. Fun place.

4/24/2013 12:55:00 PM

are the pools sunken dumpsters or something, they look tiny. I can't wait to wade in the warm, chest-deep waters of the sketchy dumpster pools!

[Edited on April 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM. Reason : i'm gonna start taking antibiotics now to prepare!]

4/24/2013 1:14:26 PM

imagine all the urine.

4/24/2013 2:28:57 PM

Hearing Joel Lane's Pub will be shuddering its doors after the weekend.

That space is cursed!

4/26/2013 7:44:37 AM

what was it before?

4/26/2013 7:59:27 AM

^^damn really? I liked that place, well at least when it wasn't packed with shitheads.

4/26/2013 8:18:55 AM

Quote :

"imagine all the urine."

And the sand.

4/26/2013 8:57:33 AM

^^^The Artisan, Vin, and a few other places I can't think of the names.

4/26/2013 9:04:44 AM

^^yeah that sand would get messy in a hurry. You would probably have to replace it weekly.

4/26/2013 9:35:17 AM

It would not surprise me if health department codes would not even allow sand around pools or the bar or something.

Quote :

"That space is cursed! has terrible visibility and is hard to find if you don't know where it is!"

fixed it for you

[Edited on April 26, 2013 at 10:24 AM. Reason : .]

4/26/2013 10:23:12 AM

Edison rendering

4/26/2013 2:09:12 PM

well, it's definitely a valley in the "skyline"... they should have made it taller... would have fit better in that location compared to the taller buildings adjacent to it if it was taller.

4/26/2013 2:48:41 PM

I am not a huge "skyline" guy, but ^^ is absolutely terrible and embarrassing for that lot. The city should prevent that plan from ever being built.

4/26/2013 10:05:35 PM

the Edison is not the lot on fayetteville st, its at Blount and Martin. That's fine for that lot.

4/26/2013 11:14:49 PM

That's super awkward looking. I can't think of any reason it actually matters though other than for aesthetic appeal. How much value is there in that? At some point we'll need certain areas that are very high density, right? They aren't going to start bulldozing single family neighborhoods to build more 5 story apartment buildings, are they?

4/27/2013 12:21:43 AM

note that the two buildings on the other side of the block with the edison are renderings too, they may not end up that tall

4/27/2013 8:20:26 AM

^the edison developers own that whole parcel, all they way to F-Ville street.

Look closer, there is a similar 5 story residential plan for the other 1/2 as well....+ a parking deck.

Again, i would rather this lot stay empty then add a 5 story apartment complex. You could literally go 3-5 blocks in multiple directions and acquire similar square footage and build this pile of crap.

Hell, if they are going to waste it, throw up a grocery store, movie theater, mini retail center, etc.

[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 9:55 AM. Reason : .]

4/27/2013 9:55:07 AM

That block does not front Fayetteville st. The next block that does is already developed. The Edison block is surrounded by S Wilmington, E Davie, S Blount, and E Martin St. Those two buildings on the E Martin side are also renderings, they are not fully funded and may not end up being that tall. The next block east that is on Fayetteville St is already developed.

so I'm really confused by your post.

[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 11:37 AM. Reason : And the parking lot in the middle already exists ]

4/27/2013 11:30:17 AM

I meant Wilmington street. Sorry for the confusion. This proposal still sucks!! Wasting what would have been one 40+story building and one 20+ story building in the original proposal for an embarrassingly generic 5 story apartment complex. In all honesty the building currently being completed in Cameron village is more impressive.

4/27/2013 11:57:56 AM

I thought it looked really odd. I was trying to figure out what was going on there.

4/27/2013 11:58:24 AM

the edison only looks out of place because they include the two hypothetical buildings that will surely end up being much shorter than that rendering shows. in comparison to actual buildings around it, its fine.

4/27/2013 12:59:43 PM

^under even the most liberal urban planning standards this is a disappointment

Look at a google overhead of the city. You are talking about 20 main city blocks at the urban core, and this shithole will take up 1/2 of 1 of those blocks. Huge, huge waste.

4/27/2013 2:09:19 PM

So a barbecue place and empty lot for the next few decades is better? Because a large tower there (beside all the other single story blocks) isn't getting funded anytime soon.

4/27/2013 3:03:33 PM

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"Hell, if they are going to waste it, throw up a grocery store"

A grocery store as ground floor retail wouldn't be a waste in a downtown that has no fresh food options.

4/27/2013 6:17:37 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/28/2375823/classic-downtown-raleigh-building.html

Scaffolding comes down on Monday.

4/27/2013 7:10:23 PM

Quote :

"So a barbecue place and empty lot for the next few decades is better? Because a large tower there (beside all the other single story blocks) isn't getting funded anytime soon."

The answer to this is a resounding YES. You are making the "anything is better than nothing argument" and with the average lifespan of a building being 50+ years, nothing is better than 5 story apartments in this case.

Quote :

"A grocery store as ground floor retail wouldn't be a waste in a downtown that has no fresh food options."

And yes, I totally agree. I should have phrased better. Since its going to be wasted on a crappy low generic apartment complex, some better ideas for low buildings that would at least provide street level activity would be __________________.

^awesome, can't wait to see what they've done with it

4/27/2013 7:43:33 PM

But you need residents downtown if you want downtown to grow. They only way to do this is through low cost developments.

4/27/2013 10:02:47 PM

Latest on the potential Peace "takeover" of Seaboard Station:
William Peace drops plans for bonds
http://www.wral.com/raleigh-delays-william-peace-bonds-hearing/12385329/


older links:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/04/16/2830044/city-council-tells-william-peace.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.wral.com/raleigh-delays-william-peace-bonds-hearing/12347764/
http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2013/04/18/peace-university-freezes-tuition-room.html

4/29/2013 10:23:38 AM

Tomorrow:

http://camraleigh.org/2013/04/raleigh-union-station-public-workshop/

4/30/2013 10:51:41 AM

New Moore Square will have a water feature. That's good, if you aren't going to kick out the homeless you might as well give them somewhere to shower and shit.

4/30/2013 4:08:16 PM

what do you mean a water feature? a fountain?

4/30/2013 4:52:29 PM

Looks like a small fountain (in the bottom left). Probably something like this:

4/30/2013 4:55:20 PM

building at Hargett and Salisbury looks fucking PHENOMENAL

4/30/2013 4:57:17 PM

An outdoor bidet and shower, public bathrooms, movable chairs?!

add some weekend volunteers passing out free food in the park (instead of one of the many kitchens in the area) and its a homeless persons dream!

4/30/2013 8:28:37 PM

Somehow those things work fine in New York City even with a homeless population of over 55,000, so surely little ole' Raleigh can figure out a way to pull it off.

4/30/2013 8:34:07 PM

@jamesagoodnight

follow that dude on twitter, its his project and he has some great pictures of the building inside and out.

Any updates/news as to when the Moore Square renovation will break ground?

4/30/2013 8:38:34 PM

3 years

^^ NY does a lot more to control (and contain) the homeless. Hell, Durham does more to control the homeless.

[Edited on April 30, 2013 at 8:46 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2013 8:45:54 PM

There is nothing preventing the homeless from using NYC parks.

It's just absurd that you are suggesting we shouldn't have nice public spaces because the homeless might use them.

Unless you are being sarcastic, but I really can't tell.

4/30/2013 8:52:24 PM

I think he was more just making a general comment on the limited effort the city puts in to prevent the homeless loitering/panhandling/etc. in the Moore Square-Bus Station area.

4/30/2013 8:57:36 PM

^^ I DO think we should have nice public spaces. I like the park design.

I just think Raleigh needs to do a lot more to control homeless and panhandling downtown.

4/30/2013 8:59:46 PM

Fair enough then.

4/30/2013 9:00:20 PM

As it stands, its impossible to use Moore Square

4/30/2013 9:03:50 PM

it's not bad when they fence it off, like for the world beer festival

4/30/2013 10:26:53 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/04/30/2861099/scaffolding-comes-down-revealing.html

4/30/2013 11:36:32 PM

I rather like it. Gives me the impression of Americana.

5/1/2013 12:28:00 AM

Looks great! Hopefully the restoration of this building will balance out the loss of the sweepstakes building, with the bonus that this one is bigger and in a more noticeable location.

5/1/2013 12:41:24 AM

Quote :

"it's not bad when they fence it off, like for the world beer festiva"

its really funny, they flush out the homeless before festivals and they all stand around on S Person for a few hours not knowing what the hell to do

5/1/2013 8:43:46 AM

Public opinion for West St extension- 95% want to go under the tracks

good

5/1/2013 6:58:37 PM

what does that mean?

5/1/2013 8:19:06 PM