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TreeTwista10
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"I think it is time for ACC to become more united andstop fighting one another. The NCAA has become a BS rogue SEC laden organization. "


Yeah!

6/17/2017 12:37:32 AM

TreeTwista10
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"I'm guessing that every school in Division 1 has counselors that assist athletes with things such as getting placed into classes, selecting classes, checking in on grades, etc. If this is what the NCAA is saying is the "lack of institutional control" then 1) every school in the country is likely to have LOIC and 2) why are they pointing specifically to the AFAM classes and not the assistance to athletes in getting assistance to all majors/departments across the board?"


bless his heart

http://scout.com/college/north-carolina/Board/102711/Contents/UNC-NCAA-Sparring-Over-Bylaw-Interpretation--105464277

[Edited on July 26, 2017 at 3:09 AM. Reason : .]

7/26/2017 3:07:50 AM

dalecooter
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"I need some clarification here........Bilas says what we did was "absolutely wrong". WHAT was absolutely wrong?"

amazingly this poor poster can't even see that unc did ANYTHING wrong. at least most of those morons agree sure the school did some shady junk academic wise but it's outside of the NCAA's jurisdiction. that fool thinks they are the epitome of academic excellence

[Edited on August 8, 2017 at 1:31 PM. Reason : wrong slash every damn time]

8/8/2017 1:31:21 PM

Nighthawk
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"Legitimate" news story blasting the NCAA for their overreach. Authored by Bradley Bethel.

http://chapelboro.com/sports/unc-sports/ncaa-setting-dangerous-precedent-in-unc-case

8/11/2017 8:36:53 AM

dmspack
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i know unc fans cling to the idea that this is all a witch hunt by the biased media. but it's pretty telling that the only voices from the media in UNC's corner are there own faculty or former faculty or complete UNC homers. national and local media may disagree on what punishment should be and they may differ on other parts as well...but from what i've read and seen it appears to be near universal agreement that UNC royally fucked up and the NCAA is right to investigate and punish. and we're in a climate of pretty anti-NCAA sentiment from all corners of the media and a lot of fan bases...and very few people (maybe none, outside of UNC guys like Bethel and Chansky) think the NCAA is in the wrong here.

but that's obviously all anti-unc bias

8/11/2017 10:21:58 AM

jbtilley
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Help me out here. What's the apologetic for the academic fraud being outside the scope of the NCAA?

Do athletes have to be academically eligible to play in sports? If a university implements programs to keep kids academically eligible that otherwise wouldn't be eligible to play in games, how is that not the NCAA's concern?

What's the justification? That if the kids took real courses then they may have passed them? Or am I wrong about the kids needing to meet a certain academic standard to participate in games?

I'm trying to understand their perspective, help me out here.

8/11/2017 12:40:31 PM

scotieb24
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They try to say that the NCAA can't determine what UNC qualifies as a class or being academically eligible. Basically, if UNC academics says sham classes are fine then that is UNC's prerogative.

8/11/2017 1:52:15 PM

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They NCAA definitely gets to determine what "academically eligible" is. The problem is that they have no power to enforce any standards of academic rigor.

So when UNC decided it would rather fuck over athletes to make millions of dollars than uphold any standard of academic excellence, the NCAA really didn't have any jurisdiction to tell them they did anything wrong.

Unfortunately, the academic institutions (SACS) whose job it is to enforce the standards of academic rigor also told everyone that they don't really care about the student athlete population as a percentage of the academic whole. They were willing to write off decades of fake classes and free grades as an anomaly and give UNC a stern talking to, then welcome them back into the fold with open arms.

So the problem for the NCAA becomes this: what stops everyone from pulling a UNC? If they let UNC go with basically no punishment, then it's bye bye NCAA because schools are going to go open season on doing whatever it takes to keep athletes eligible. They may as well abandon the standards. But what if they hammer UNC without actual jurisdiction? Then likely UNC sues them and they end up in a long arduous legal battle.

What's likely to happen? The NCAA lets UNC off with little punishment because they have to, then passes new emergency rules to give them the power to enforce issues like this in the future. The problem is they can't hammer UNC for it after the fact.

8/11/2017 3:50:56 PM

dmspack
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also, unc can claim that these classes were not exclusive to athletes, making this an issue on the academic side, but not specific to athletics. and while that is technically true (there were non athletes in the classes, they weren't closed off to the student body) it was a very disproportionate athlete to non-athlete ratio in these classes. that's really where unc is digging its heels in. they can claim that since these classes were open to everybody, it was not preferential treatment toward athletes. instead, these were just very easy classes with teachers that were bending/breaking rules but there was nothing explicitly providing athletes with benefits that weren't also available to the rest of the student body. which is a fairly bullshit argument when you look at just how many students were in these classes...they were absolutely aimed at keeping athletes eligible and i think a lot of the emails they've made public help make that case.

8/11/2017 4:52:57 PM

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