if hurney being a ratard this year helps get luck next year, then fine by me. patrick peterson in 2011!

3/12/2011 11:09:46 AM

take peterson, have JR sabotage any sort of CBA agreements until its too late to play any games this season, and take luck. 2-14 to 14-2 in 2 seasons, SUPER BOWL CHAMPS.

3/12/2011 3:29:24 PM

Tom Talked on Twitter and said it's looking more like they will take Newton #1

3/15/2011 11:14:31 AM

Quote :

"BATON ROUGE - LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson dined with Carolina Panthers Coach Ron Rivera on Sunday night, talking football and getting to know each other better over a meal at Ruffio's."

3/15/2011 11:44:46 AM

Rufio played Ashley's boyfriend once on Fresh Prince

3/15/2011 11:46:47 AM

You are a fart factory, Slug-slimed, sack-of-rat-guts-in-cat-vomit, cheesy, scab-picked, pimple-squeezing finger bandage. A week old maggot burger with everything on it and flies on the side!

3/15/2011 11:50:01 AM

Quote :

"You are a fart factory, Slug-slimed, sack-of-rat-guts-in-cat-vomit, cheesy, scab-picked, pimple-squeezing finger bandage. A week old maggot burger with everything on it and flies on the side!"

a.k.a marty hurney

3/15/2011 2:43:18 PM

I don't want newton

I also don't want the guy I never heard one word about until a couple months ago.

Pick defense please!

3/15/2011 4:21:07 PM

http://blogs.charlotte.com/tom_talks/2011/03/ill-write-cam-newton-and-youll-read-this.html

i dont know what this is supposed to be

sounds like a lebron commercial

3/17/2011 1:34:03 PM

i cant stand tom sorenson. not only does he come across as egotistical, but he also writes like 14 year old girl. with short sentences. choppy sentences. i hate it.

3/17/2011 1:47:35 PM

Lol at the comments on it

3/17/2011 1:55:01 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "Drafting a QB with ~60% completion rate #1 overall is just a bad decision" Player - Career Collegiate Comp % Peyton Manning - 62.8% Tom Brady - 62.3% Drew Brees - 61.5% Matt Ryan - 59.9% Dan Marino - 57.6% Jim Kelly - 54.6% Brett Favre - 53.2% Cam Newton - 65.4% Blaine Gabbert - 60.9% Out of the guys listed here, the highest single season Comp % was Newton's 66.1% this past season"

I'm not sure if this is really a valid comparison given the change in offensive styles to a more spread based, short-pass offense. It is very tough to compare QB completion %'s currently in short, quick route-passing offenses to those of the likes you mentioned.

I would be curious to see the completion % of mobile QB's over the last 10 years compared to Cam Newton.

3/18/2011 12:28:50 AM

Speaking of Brady and Manning, I do know they each had an assload of snaps in the shotgun formation last season, like 400 or 500 apiece

3/18/2011 12:32:46 AM

3/18/2011 2:05:18 AM

approve

3/18/2011 8:13:28 AM

is AJ Green really that good?
is Patrick Peterson really that good?

can someone talk about these two players? i do not follow SEC football whatsover, except for carolina...

3/22/2011 9:19:06 AM

Just read some draft sites

Not sure why you'd value mine or Ribs opinion over someone who covers the draft for a living's

Tho I am flattered

3/22/2011 9:22:24 AM

^ this

I'm just on the Peterson bandwagon for a couple reasons

1) There's really not a been a CB/KR gamebreaker-type guy to come out since Charles Woodson a decade ago. He shores up multiple holes immediately on our roster and is guaranteed to be a major contributer week one if he is on the Panthers' roster. He's faced multiple NFL receivers over 3 seasons in the SEC so we have a good idea of how good he actually is.

2) All the other prospects in the top ten are projects in some shape or form. We need to do the least amount of "gambling" possible with this pick. A bust here (especially at QB) and we won't be winning our division for the foreseeable future. Of the top 5 quarterbacks in this draft, probably one will actually pan out. No one, not even scouts, have any idea which one. That's too big a risk for that kind of money/draft position in my opinion.

Peterson has been consistently making plays since the moment he stepped on LSU's campus. He played in every game as a freshmen there and started at corner for the last 4 that year. Youtube is filled with Peterson highlight montages. Go check them out if you haven't already.

I also like the fact that he had 257 PR/KR yards vs Carolina

3/22/2011 8:04:27 PM

^pretty much what he said.

I don't think AJ Green is worth a #1 pick. He's good, but there are talented WR's every year. Plus you could argue that Julio Jones will be a better pro.

If the Panthers weren't set at LB, I would say they should draft Von Miller, but that won't happen.

3/22/2011 9:05:41 PM

they could always grab a wr with their 2nd rounder, oh wait

3/22/2011 9:45:03 PM

Yup, been firmly on the Peterson bandwagon for a while. I'd be ok with Dareus or Fairley, just because they'd give us an impact player at a position of need. Just hell no to Newton or Quinn, and Bowers to a lesser extent.

Actually, Von Miller might be the way to go. He'd give us one hell of a pass-rushing OLB.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 9:59 PM. Reason : Maybe we switch to a 3-4?]

3/22/2011 9:58:08 PM

Dareus is my #2 choice if we don't go for Peterson

Speaking of Vonn Miller, I wish RR would convert us to a 34. The majority of the nastiest defenses currently in the NFL kill teams with confusion and pass rushing out of that formation. Miller would be a perfect fit as a first conversion piece in that scenario.

3/22/2011 10:05:45 PM

^ I think linebacker is the very least of our issues right now...

3/22/2011 10:23:33 PM

duh

3/23/2011 5:37:33 AM

Panthers will likely receive a 3rd round compensatory pick...

3/23/2011 9:51:42 AM

so how does the new kickoff rule change affect everyone's opinion on taking Peterson 1st?

3/23/2011 10:02:38 AM

i've been wanting to draft him as a corner first, returner second. so IMO, not much

3/23/2011 10:09:26 AM

Besides, he's more valuable returning punts.

3/23/2011 10:12:51 AM

Cant return punts if the defense cant stop the other team.

At this point, idc who they draft AS LONG AS it ends up being worth it.

3/24/2011 8:49:16 AM

excellent contribution n00b

3/24/2011 6:02:56 PM

insider article on why peterson should go #1

Quote :

"To take or not to take Patrick Peterson with the No. 1 pick. That is the Shakespearian question the Carolina Panthers are wrestling with heading into the 2011 NFL draft. The reasons not to draft Peterson seem quite compelling. Blaine Gabbert is widely considered to be an elite passing prospect and Cam Newton has a rare set of physical skills. If either of those two is as good as advertised, it could mean a long-range upgrade for a passing offense that ranked dead last in the league in yards per attempt (YPA) last season. In addition, Carolina's pass defense had some fairly solid statistics in 2010, ranking tied for 16th in pass YPA allowed and tied for 11th in interceptions. This doesn't seem to bode well for Peterson as a player capable of having the same kind of impact that Gabbert or Newton might, but an in-depth look at the numbers illustrates how he can do as much to improve the club as either of those two -- particularly early on. Let's start by taking a look at what kind of short-term statistical improvement the Panthers could expect from the quarterbacks in a best-case scenario. And this assumes a lofty goal -- that they'd mimic last year's rookie sensation Sam Bradford and start every game. Carolina passers averaged 5.4 YPA last season. For the sake of this discussion, the assumption will be made that this number could increase to 6.0 YPA without any quarterbacking upgrade because of better play calling, development of existing talent, etc. Now let's assume that either Gabbert or Newton could move that total up to 7.0 YPA with his talents. That would put the Panthers right in the middle of the league in this category. Run-heavy offenses, like the one Carolina is likely to use, tend to average about 500 pass attempts in a season, so adding an extra yard to this category would net Carolina 500 additional yards. Let's also tally the potential improvement in interceptions thrown. Gabbert and Newton averaged about two-thirds of an interception in every contest in which they faced a team from an FBS automatic qualifying conference. Even if that total moved up to around one per game at the NFL level, it would equal 16 interceptions, which would still be an improvement over the 21 total picks that Panthers quarterbacks threw last season. Most statisticians place the value of an interception at around 40-50 yards. Let's use the higher amount and say that the reduction of five interceptions would equal about 250 yards of value. Gabbert and Newton could also add some value on the ground. This is a bit of a tough call because Newton is a much better runner than Gabbert, but since the difference between their passing skills was split, it makes sense to split the difference here, as well. Let's put their rushing totals at a generous Aaron Rodgers-like total of 25 yards per game. Doing that adds about 300 rushing yards over last year's rushing totals by Panthers quarterbacks. Tally the three areas together (500 yards in passing, 250 in reduced interceptions and 300 in rushing yards) and it equals 1,050 yards of improvement. Now let's run the same kind of analysis for Peterson. In the passing-yardage category, rather than using the overall YPA total, let's use a more focused approach of seeing how Peterson might help the individual cornerback YPA totals. Carolina had three regular cornerbacks last season: Chris Gamble, Richard Marshall and Captain Munnerlyn. Those three allowed 1,500 completion/penalty yards on 181 passes in 2010, or 8.3 YPA. In a seven-game analysis of his 2010 season (against the Mississippi State Bulldogs, Tennessee Volunteers, Florida Gators, Alabama Crimson Tide, Mississippi Rebels and at the Arkansas Razorbacks and Auburn Tigers), Peterson allowed only 90 yards on 24 targets -- that equates to a Darrelle Revis-like 3.4 YPA. Let's assume that his YPA total moves up to 6.0 at the NFL level (a 2.3 YPA improvement over Carolina's CBs). If passes at Peterson account for half of the same number of targets in 2011, it would mean a reduction of 209 yards. Now let's also assume that his closing off one side of the field helps the other cornerbacks by letting the rest of the secondary focus coverage in their direction. If that reduced the rest of the cornerback YPA totals to 7.0, it would mean an additional 90 yards in improvement. Peterson also brings elite ball hawking skills to the table. If those talents equate to four interceptions (a seemingly reasonable total), it would add another 200 yards of value to his case. The 40-50 yard value for picks is based on leaguewide averages, but a Peterson interception is quite likely to be returned for more yards than the average (he had 134 yards on four interceptions last year). If he adds an additional 20 yards on average, it would equate to another 80 yards of overall value. And that doesn't even account for how his coverage could help the rest of the Panthers' secondary snag more interceptions. Three picks is a reasonable number here, so let's add another 150 yards to Peterson's column. Last but certainly not least, Peterson would also bring his elite skills to the return game. He has said of late that he does not want to handle kickoff returns, so the focus here will be on his value as a punt returner. Carolina was mediocre in this category last year, averaging only 9.6 yards per return (19th lowest in the league). That was roughly 7 yards per return fewer than the top two punt return teams (the Chicago Bears and Dallas Cowboys). Multiply that yardage total by 36 punt returns (the leaguewide average) and it equals another 252 yards for Peterson. Tallying up his totals (209+90+200+80+150+252), Peterson would give the Panthers 981 yards in improvement, or roughly 69 yards less than Gabbert or Newton. That miniscule difference of about 4 yards per game is not nearly enough of a reason for Carolina to pass up the best player in the draft. Given the question marks that surround both quarterbacks, Carolina should not hesitate for a moment to select Peterson."

3/24/2011 8:18:21 PM

Drafting PP only makes sense as long as the Panthers still finish last next year letting them draft Luck.

Middling 8-8 every year gets you nowhere.

3/24/2011 8:48:56 PM

We got a compensatory pick from the league and it's a 3rd rounder #97 overall for losing Pep.

3/26/2011 10:55:45 AM

Quote :

"@RyanKalil Why is The Southeastern Conference The SEC? Southeastern is one word."

probably the dumbest tweet ive ever seen

3/26/2011 2:25:43 PM

what is the purpose of the "@" in tweets? seems totally unnecessary and just makes them look even dumber than they already are

3/26/2011 2:27:33 PM

it's part of the username ... the coding uses the @ to automatically make a link to the user's profile

3/26/2011 2:28:43 PM

Quote :

"makes them look even dumber than they already are "

especially tweets by marvin austin.

3/26/2011 9:38:22 PM

lets take a qb nobody is interested in as the number 1 pick. sounds like a solid idea

3/27/2011 2:40:33 PM

lol what the hell is this

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=46623&id=195191593845821

3/30/2011 11:06:24 AM

Quote :

"Carolina had three regular cornerbacks last season: Chris Gamble, Richard Marshall and Captain Munnerlyn. Those three allowed 1,500 completion/penalty yards on 181 passes in 2010, or 8.3 YPA. In a seven-game analysis of his 2010 season (against the Mississippi State Bulldogs, Tennessee Volunteers, Florida Gators, Alabama Crimson Tide, Mississippi Rebels and at the Arkansas Razorbacks and Auburn Tigers), Peterson allowed only 90 yards on 24 targets -- that equates to a Darrelle Revis-like 3.4 YPA. Let's assume that his YPA total moves up to 6.0 at the NFL level (a 2.3 YPA improvement over Carolina's CBs). If passes at Peterson account for half of the same number of targets in 2011, it would mean a reduction of 209 yards."

of all the reaches he makes, this one in bold is the worst. given the other DBs, this number would not be additive. there is a point of diminishing returns, and given the other DBs we already have, the impact would not even be triple digits on an additive basis. if our DB situation was in worse shape, i'd understand the Peterson argument, but that's one spot that can be held together as is. we need upgrades on the line more than anything.

3/30/2011 11:26:15 AM

Marshall is gone, Gamble is Jekyll and Hyde and Munnerlyn is still unproven. We definitely need help at that position, enough so that we should strongly consider Peterson number 1.

3/30/2011 11:43:49 AM

A good ready by the observer about the possibility of trading the #1 pick and how those have turned out. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/03/19/2156231/panthers-no-1-dilemma-keep-or.html

Quote :

"Newton or Gabbert (both of whom the Panthers had private workouts with last week) could potentially transform a team looking for an answer at the position, after finishing 2010 with the league's worst offense. But they could also bet on 2010 second-rounder Jimmy Clausen improving (or try to find a veteran upgrade), and use the assets elsewhere. But if the pick gets traded this year, it will be because someone falls for one of the quarterbacks and is willing to make a big move to get him. The uncertainty over the individuals complicates things, but Carolina (picking first), Buffalo (third), Cincinnati (fourth), Arizona (fifth), San Francisco (seventh), Tennessee (eighth), Washington (10th) and Minnesota (12th) have serious need at the position, with Denver (second) and Cleveland (sixth) potentially joining the mix."

3/30/2011 12:03:51 PM

Pat Yastinkas

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/19615/panthers-need-to-take-cam-newton

3/31/2011 4:25:28 PM

Someone please explain to me why Cam Newton isn't Jamarcus Russel. Or at best Vince Young or Tim Tebow (with a somewhat better arm than Tebow)

3/31/2011 4:34:55 PM

To steal a quote about Jamarcus from Something Awful:

Quote :

"OK people, I've been watching a lot of football games here taking advantage of NFL Rewind, and I've watched all the Raider games, even those that I'd already seen. I have figured out the problem with Jamarcus Russell, and If you'll give me just a moment to explain it I'm sure you'll see it just as I do. Picture a large black bird. Like a huge black eagle or something, maybe a really big hawk. Soaring in the sky, ripping past snow covered lofty peaks. You can see he has these badass claws, jet to match his feathers. He soars and wheels, changing direction. Casting a majestic shadow over the peaks and valleys. This bird is like awesome personified, viewing the earth and those of us chained to it from a perspective we can never really imagine. Jamarcus is exactly like this bird, in one very specific way. This bird does not give a fuck about football. Neither does Jamarcus."

3/31/2011 4:40:27 PM

that quote is quite funny but the last line killed it... dept of redundancy dept

3/31/2011 5:27:58 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/642989-nfl-power-rankings-jimmy-clausen-and-the-25-most-worthless-players-in-the-nfl

4/1/2011 4:37:06 PM

^wow, reading that makes me want the panthers to take newton.

4/1/2011 10:59:11 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/09/deangelo-williams-has-interest-in-dolphins/

Quote :

"“This is a place I’d like to live,” Williams said, in Miami for a triathlon to raise money for charity. “I hope I’m at the top of their list and they come after me.” The Dolphins could add a back in the draft and still have room for a big ticket item like Williams, who stressed he’s also very open to staying with Carolina. It seems very possible that the Dolphins will replace both Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams, who are both free agents this year. Williams wouldn’t mind splitting the load like he did in Carolina, because he feels it will stretch his career out. “I’m running on premium and I have more than half a tank left,” Williams said."

i expect the panthers to make a legitimate offer to DW, but what is keeping him? i'm a little fuzzy on his contract...he was tendered a RFA offer IIRC, so if the Dolphins want to throw the bank at him i have to honestly say that if the Panthers can get some draft picks in return, it would be more beneficial to take that over paying DW beaucoup bucks with Stewart and Goodson ready to take over

i hate to justify it, because i love deangelo...but if he wants to leave, i don't know that the panthers would be so bad off, at least no worse than they were last season

4/10/2011 1:51:33 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/10/mmqb/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin

this certainly has me re-thinking about how I would feel about taking Cam Newton first overall

4/11/2011 8:06:10 PM