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"I was waiting for more facts/evidence. Impeachment is horribly divisive for our country, but now that the 'truth' has come out, it's time to do the right thing."


Except that would be an absurdly transparent claim. Every day she, herself, presents another impeachable offense but then say it's on the senate.


Edit: I mean she'll "get away with it" bc her seat is 100% safe and enough allies will have to make the same about face that she probably won't endanger her speakership near term, but this is making her look super weak and short sighted

[Edited on May 21, 2019 at 5:36 PM. Reason : E]

5/21/2019 5:34:03 PM

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I mean I was basically just paraphrasing shit she has already said, so I don't really know what else to tell you.

Do you honestly think she's holding out for anything other than political theater/chess moves?

And as infuriating as it is, punting and saying "well the Senate won't do it" is still accurate up to this point.

She can sit back and wait for congressional testimony to unfold as long as she can and it won't really hurt her. It's not like she's going to get voted out of office for using stall tactics, as shitty as they are.

[Edited on May 21, 2019 at 5:42 PM. Reason : bingo. your edit is exactly my point]

5/21/2019 5:41:30 PM

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Sure, from a personal political perspective maybe it isn't "stupid", but from that perspective not much is.

From a "responsibility to govern and provide checks to executive power" perspective, it's very stupid. Every day she delays makes impeachment seem sillier, despite evidence piling up. Eventually, hopefully, people will come to their senses and impeach, and Dems will be hit with the wishy-washy-ness. I think those will just amount to minor dings and blemishes, but it dirtiest up would should be an obvious political win, from an anti Trump, anti corruption perspective.

5/21/2019 6:11:19 PM

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This whole argument is so absurd.

Trump and his entire administration is the most openly corrupt, non-transparent and conflicted we have had in generations (including Nixon), probably ever.

Mueller/Russia aside it should be a 100% given the House initiates proceedings. There are literally impeachable offenses committed daily. Because a Senate comprised of sycophants like Graham and Kennedy will not convict is a piss poor excuse to demur on this.

[Edited on May 21, 2019 at 6:17 PM. Reason : X]

5/21/2019 6:16:41 PM

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To be clear, I'm not in any way condoning/approving what she's doing. I think it's cowardly and pathetic and harms our democracy in immeasurable ways. I just don't see why anyone is surprised that she's taking this tactic. It's beyond obvious to me.

Admittedly, I also have a pretty bad case of "outrage fatigue" at this point, because the bottom line is that Trump's approval still rating won't budge and nobody seems to give a shit except for people who've been directly oppressed by this horrific administration.

I fully anticipate things getting even worse than they already are, and I won't be surprised at all when Trump is reelected.

I compared Trump's rise to power to Hitler's a while back and people thought I was being hyperbolic or dramatic, but the longer he is in office, the more dangerous he becomes.

But yeah, it's shitty that the most powerful woman in the supposedly free world is being political and short-sighted about the whole thing.

[Edited on May 21, 2019 at 7:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2019 7:19:17 PM

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Saying that you will only impeach with strong bipartisan support, conceding your majority power to Republicans to decide if impeachment should proceed, is unequivocally stupid

5/21/2019 7:30:51 PM

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Sure, agreed. Just telling you why she's doing what she's doing and why she'll get away with it.

Would you like me to stop by her house in SF when she's back in town and tell her what y'all are thinking?

[Edited on May 21, 2019 at 7:33 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2019 7:31:56 PM

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Well wait the discussion happened bc dtr said Pelosi was being stupid and you disagreed. I think we're all arguing it's stupid if you care about doing the job, I don't think anyone cares about Pelosis personal political career.

5/21/2019 7:41:55 PM

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https://twitter.com/leaderhoyer/status/1130874032436457473?s=21

JFC, we are so fucked.

This tweet thread goes on a ride. Trump is a criminal who is covering up crimes but I hope he meets in good faith tomorrow and we hand him a huge bipartisan win!!!

God damn, Democrats such at politics.

[Edited on May 21, 2019 at 7:52 PM. Reason : X]

5/21/2019 7:51:57 PM

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What in the actual fuck

5/21/2019 7:56:03 PM

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^^^Her refusal to do anything until absolutely necessary doesn't cost her much of anything, which is why she's punting and will continue to do so. Again, using her own words/logic, impeachment is a bad idea when you have an obstructionist/immoral senate, so why get everyone riled up and lead the charge now when it's bound to fail? I mean do the Dems think they'll score a moral victory by "rushing" the impeachment route when they have zero chance of removing him from office? Will it hurt his approval enough to have him lose the election? IDK, but I can see why she'd not want to take her chances. It's like trying to shoot the moon in Hearts. Or something. I think she's gambling on a lot of bombshell revelations being uncovered from congressional testimony, and it could all come back and blow up in her face for not doing anything about sooner. But probably not.

I think people are being more idealistic than pragmatic about this, and that's probably going to lead to even more disappointment.

Also, I'm pretty bad with sports/gambling metaphors when trying to offer a plausible explanation for a politician's game of chicken, so my apologies.

SHOULD she back it? Sure. In a perfect world where moral victories and optics matter like they should.



[Edited on May 21, 2019 at 8:00 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2019 7:59:39 PM

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My post was about her statement of only wanting to move forward with bipartisan support being really stupid which you seemed to disagree with, no one is questioning her credentials as a career politician

And there is no rushing, we have clear evidence of crimes and should move forward with an inquiry. An inquiry will allow the house more power to gather information and investigate. This is their constitutional duty. Nixon was much more popular than Trump, it's silly to think this will hurt dems

[Edited on May 21, 2019 at 9:50 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2019 9:48:45 PM

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https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1130917183524167680
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"House Democrats are worried about possible political blowback from an impeachment inquiry into a president whose crimes have already been laid out in detail by others and who currently has a pathetic 38% approval."

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"or comparison, Nixon had just been re-elected in a landslide and stood at 65% approval when Democrats launched the Senate Watergate inquiry in February 1973.

The full airing of evidence and testimony against Nixon quickly eroded his support, bringing it to 39% in July 1973.
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"It's idiotic to think that Trump is currently too strong to launch formal impeachment proceedings or, short of that, a committee to air the evidence and testimony against him.

It's even more idiotic to assume that once that process begins, it'll somehow drive his numbers *up*"


https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1130963474685804544
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In May 1973, when the Senate began its famous Watergate hearings, only 19% of the American people thought Nixon should be removed from office.
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5/22/2019 8:24:32 AM

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https://twitter.com/betsy_klein/status/1131220878677741569?s=21

Ahahahhaha, he’s holding a televised event at the exact time he was supposed to be meeting with Dem leadership.

https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/1131221420581752834?s=21

And now this. He is literally pissing down their throats. This is pathetic. Maybe Pelosi et al are masochistic and like being treated like dogshit?

[Edited on May 22, 2019 at 11:35 AM. Reason : I’m not even a Pelosi hater but she has completely and utterly failed. This is embarrassing.]

5/22/2019 11:32:13 AM

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i think her short term political calculations are wrong, but we should also be considering long term political calculations. pelosi was one of the leading voices against impeachment or any kind of accountability for bush after the iraq war and now we have fucking john bolton as national security adviser trying to start a war with iran.

i doubt we will never see a better time for, or a more clear example of the need for, the house to exercise their inherent contempt powers and to begin impeachment inquiry (or inquiries)

5/22/2019 12:06:12 PM

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^Holy shit, it keeps getting crazier

5/22/2019 12:25:10 PM

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Per person familiar with what happened in the room before this Rose Garden presser: POTUS did not sit down or shake anyone's hand. He told Dems that "once your investigation is done – we can talk about these things." And then he left the room before anyone else could speak."


these stupid motherfuckers

5/22/2019 12:27:07 PM

rwoody
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He's so terrified of impeachment

5/22/2019 12:29:16 PM

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^ It's clear he's an enormous fucking coward. As if we don't know that about him to begin with. But this is the most blatantly fake hard ass "I'm playing tough ball" act I've seen in ages.

5/22/2019 12:37:58 PM

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Maybe he doesn’t realize Dems can write and pass legislation without him?

Unless his goal is to try to punish the American people for his own personal malfeasance— definitely trump’s MO.

5/22/2019 1:15:04 PM

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https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1131236060527251456?s=21

Here’s the video of pelosis commentary

The substance here is great. But her voice is so old and scratchy and she loses her train of thought at one point, they really need a better spokesperson to present these ideas better.

5/22/2019 1:23:30 PM

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"Why do you make me hurt you?"

Not surprising. Pelosi embarrasses Trump pretty much every time they're in a room together.

5/22/2019 1:27:09 PM

rwoody
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Fucking Pelosi said Trump "wants to be impeached" jfc

5/23/2019 11:07:56 AM

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https://twitter.com/lynnsweet/status/1131582308174258176?s=21

That’s good. Trump is a great unifier and we’d hate for that to be ruined by doing something the right might call divisive.

5/23/2019 11:28:42 AM

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while democrats debate, trump is weaponizing his AG
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/us/politics/trump-barr-intelligence.html

5/24/2019 11:31:11 AM

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Pelosi is going to use her closing argument at her show-trial on the mall to decry decisive moves like impeachment.

5/24/2019 11:53:38 AM

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https://politics.theonion.com/chuck-schumer-condemns-mitch-mcconnell-for-being-way-be-1835094944?utm_content=Main&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook

6/1/2019 2:06:51 PM

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It's been a month since the house judiciary held Barr in contempt and it hasn't even made it to the floor of the house yet

6/2/2019 5:47:56 PM

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house is finally voting on contempt
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/446743-house-to-hold-barr-contempt-vote-next-week

maxine waters' comment is correct though, unless the house wants to use their inherent contempt powers and start arresting people there isn't really much of a penalty for contempt (although that alone is not a reason to be against holding them in contempt)

6/4/2019 8:38:49 AM

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https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1135886527165292544?s=21

Shorter Pelosi: “Actually, Americans are too stupid for impeachment.”

6/4/2019 11:54:26 AM

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congratulations to her for finding the dumbest argument to date

6/4/2019 12:01:58 PM

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https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1138493846873096193?s=21

I’m sure they will act in good faith.

Nancy knows that deep down all Trump wants is infrastructure.

6/11/2019 1:36:15 PM

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http://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1138571360073129986

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"Asked Biden why he’s convinced that the Rs who blocked his agenda (inc Merrick Garland) with Obama wouldn’t just do the same if he beat Trump. Very long interesting answer; “There’s not going to be an epiphany,” he said. (He has previously said there would be an epiphany.)"

6/11/2019 6:20:23 PM

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Jesus

6/11/2019 7:29:22 PM

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https://twitter.com/speakerpelosi/status/1139139848357462016?s=21

Lol at the replies.

6/13/2019 9:47:26 AM

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