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horosho
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It was more than NAFTA btw
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"At the same time Democrats were saying Trump is a mortal danger who must be impeached, they quietly:
-renewed PATRIOT Act to hand Trump unrestrained spying power
-backed Trump's new NAFTA trade deal
-gave Trump $738B military budget

They're not resisters- they're collaborators."

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1205254003262709761
Who knew Russian spies could be more informative than MSM?

12/15/2019 3:01:40 PM

dtownral
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MSM widely covered the trade deal

12/15/2019 5:54:32 PM

NyM410
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The budget gripe is largely a cudgel too. Yes, I’d rather we vastly reign in defense spending but if you vote down “money for the troops” and hold the government hostage (especially as a Dem) good luck at election time.

12/15/2019 9:49:04 PM

horosho
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Who eats up right wing talking points again?

12/15/2019 10:29:31 PM

dtownral
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You. Russian ones too.

12/15/2019 11:11:05 PM

horosho
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"If this impeachment thing was serious, they wouldn't send it to the senate to die and would wait until they win the senate. They would just keep it in the house and keep investigating through the election."

Continuation of the same pattern. When the left suggests something new, its a Russian grift, but when Pelosi adopts it later on its "YASSS QUEEN PELOSI IS A GENIUS"

12/19/2019 12:19:32 PM

dtownral
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if you're talking to me, i don't think pelosi should send it to the senate i think she will

12/19/2019 12:20:47 PM

utowncha
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what are your criteria for sending it?

[Edited on December 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM. Reason : just curious / no need to call me names ]

12/19/2019 12:40:57 PM

dtownral
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i want them to hold them and debate more articles, enforce subpoenas and investigate more. they should have started impeachment inquiry and enforcing subpoenas after the mueller report. keep the bad headlines coming, don't let them die in the senate.

[Edited on December 19, 2019 at 12:49 PM. Reason : i'm not implying that this is a a likely or possible scenario]

12/19/2019 12:45:41 PM

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I guess it's my own fault for thinking I could come to TWW to find intellectual discourse and not pages of trolls regurgitating Russian talking points.

12/19/2019 12:53:29 PM

utowncha
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it could be solved with bans or ignoring certain users, but neither will happen

welcome to hell

12/19/2019 12:57:46 PM

dtownral
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Democratic Cave to Trump on Border Wall Had an Ulterior Motive
Democrats gave Trump major concessions and leverage in the year-end funding bill so Representative Henry Cuellar could get federal funding for a riverwalk in his district.

https://prospect.org/politics/democratic-cave-to-trump-border-wall-riverwalk-laredo/

12/20/2019 11:09:46 AM

horosho
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Democrats: The electoral college is unfair

Also democrats:

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"Some delegates are awarded based on the statewide vote but the majority are based on the outcome in each congressional district"

12/20/2019 2:17:30 PM

horosho
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Some decent responses early on

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"Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.): "Soleimani was an enemy of the United States. That’s not a question. The question is this — as reports suggest, did America just assassinate, without any congressional authorization, the second most powerful person in Iran, knowingly setting off a potential massive regional war?""


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"Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.): "Trump Admin owes a full explanation of airstrike reports—all the facts—to Congress&the American people. The present authorizations for use of military force in no way cover starting a possible new war. This step could bring the most consequential military confrontation in decades. My immediate concern is for our brave Americans serving in harm’s way.""

1/3/2020 1:08:55 AM

StTexan
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"potential massive regional war"


Lol love the hyperbole

1/3/2020 1:13:57 AM

daaave
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https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2020/01/14/joe-kennedy-endorsements/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

garbage

1/16/2020 10:46:18 AM

daaave
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yooooo

https://twitter.com/FaithfullyBP/status/1219291868485373952
https://twitter.com/ibrahimpols/status/1219371279159087104

1/20/2020 10:36:46 PM

dtownral
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fucking go away
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/hillary-clinton-full-a-fiery-new-documentary-trump-regrets-harsh-words-bernie-1271551
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"In the doc, you're brutally honest on Sanders: "He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it." That assessment still hold?

Yes, it does.

If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?

I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it's not only him, it's the culture around him. It's his leadership team. It's his prominent supporters. It's his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it. And I don't think we want to go down that road again where you campaign by insult and attack and maybe you try to get some distance from it, but you either don't know what your campaign and supporters are doing or you're just giving them a wink and you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren]. I think that that's a pattern that people should take into account when they make their decisions.

Speaking of, he allegedly told Sen. Elizabeth Warren in 2018 that he didn't think a woman could win, a statement he vigorously denies. How did you digest that?

Well, number one, I think [that sentiment] is untrue, which we should all say loudly. I mean, I did get more votes both in the primary, by about 4 million, and in the general election, by about 3 million. I think that both the press and the public have to really hold everybody running accountable for what they say and what their campaign says and does. That's particularly true with what's going on right now with the Bernie campaign having gone after Elizabeth with a very personal attack on her. Then this argument about whether or not or when he did or didn't say that a woman couldn't be elected, it's part of a pattern. If it were a one-off, you might say, "OK, fine." But he said I was unqualified. I had a lot more experience than he did, and got a lot more done than he had, but that was his attack on me. I just think people need to pay attention because we want, hopefully, to elect a president who's going to try to bring us together, and not either turn a blind eye, or actually reward the kind of insulting, attacking, demeaning, degrading behavior that we've seen from this current administration."


bernie had dozens of rallies for clinton, clinton needs to go the fuck away

the only correct answer when asked if you would support a candidate in the general is "our top priority must be beating donald trump, I will support anyone the party nominates to run against him" or something similar.

(i'll accept someone running giving a "well i plan on being the nominee" response, it's lame but it at least doesn't undermine anyone)

1/21/2020 9:34:26 AM

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But would her support of Bernie really help him at all? I doubt people would vote for Bernie because Clinton said so.

She's just being a childish sore loser. At this point, having her support would be a negative in my opinion. Almost like a Republican running in a blue state having Trump's endorsement

1/21/2020 10:21:56 AM

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That isn’t the point at all.

It’s outrageous she would intimate she wouldn’t do all she could for WHOEVER wins the nomination. FFS, Trump still leads “lock her up” chants daily.

1/21/2020 11:11:43 AM

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I guess my point really, is who cares what she has to say? In her mind many Bernie bros voted for Trump out of spite, and cost her the election. Let her be bitter.

1/21/2020 12:10:55 PM

dtownral
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she's a significant name in the democratic party and still has a large base of support, what she says about things does matter for the democratic primary

it's irresponsible to not say she would support sanders if he is the nominee, and downright deplorable considering who the nominee is running against and also how hard sanders in particular worked to try to get her elected

it's basically a reverse-horosho only she's someone that people listen too

1/21/2020 12:26:13 PM

horosho
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Make no mistake. Hillary prefers Trump and has a lot to lose with a Sanders presidency. Those "lock her up" chants don't bother her one bit because she's smart enough to know they are just fresh meat for Trump's proles and even if he was serious, we know she could never be locked up. Lets be real. Trump is impeached just for suggesting the possibility of investigating Biden and she's several times more untouchable.

Don't forget they were all friends before Trump brought Bill with him to bang models


[Edited on January 21, 2020 at 4:42 PM. Reason : no mistakes]

1/21/2020 4:41:37 PM

dtownral
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I like that horosho has the audacity to reply after hes plainly stated that there are dem candidates he wont vote for against trump

Make no mistake. horosho prefers trump

1/21/2020 6:24:35 PM

horosho
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Yeah I won't vote for them because they, like Trump, are too far right.

The criticism of Bernie is about him not being far enough to the right.

[Edited on January 22, 2020 at 8:39 PM. Reason : if your ideology is "not being trump" you have no ideology and will eventually support a trump]

1/22/2020 8:39:02 PM

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"and also how hard sanders in particular worked to try to get her elected"


Lol

1/22/2020 9:40:54 PM

daaave
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Sanders did something like 40 events for Clinton

[Edited on January 22, 2020 at 10:06 PM. Reason : he campaigned more in some rust belt states than she did :x]

1/22/2020 10:01:43 PM

horosho
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You can't make this stuff up. Pelosi's so arrogant about how dumb Americans are. Attending a Russian oligarch's event during the impeachment trial while tweeting about financial predators and women's health to cover her track.
https://twitter.com/ifamericansknew/status/1220070374278225922

1/22/2020 11:19:23 PM

dtownral
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Removing donor requirements so bloomberg can qualify for the feb debate is shameless and hilariously transparent

1/31/2020 2:47:35 PM

utowncha
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^

1/31/2020 6:06:12 PM

daaave
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And another scumbag move they're considering

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083

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"In conversations on the sidelines of a DNC executive committee meeting and in telephone calls and texts in recent days, about a half-dozen members have discussed the possibility of a policy reversal to ensure that so-called superdelegates can vote on the first ballot at the party’s national convention. Such a move would increase the influence of DNC members, members of Congress and other top party officials, who now must wait until the second ballot to have their say if the convention is contested."

1/31/2020 6:48:29 PM

horosho
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Well they thought they could make it look fair by getting a bunch of candidates to run, giving them debate time with no undercard and split the vote to guarantee a second ballot. It initially worked because a lot of the general public said "look, they took superdelegates off the first ballot, they are fair now" but now the collapse of Warren and Biden have them worried that they won't even survive to see their master plan kick in.

They are going to fix it. The only question is the degree of transparency that will be involved in their fix. The trial's affect on the iowa (and beyond) results may allow them to maintain the subtleness of their strategy.

1/31/2020 9:42:51 PM

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This primary is getting very dark. Darker than 2008.

Bending the rules to keep Yang out of the debates and Bloomberg in is a really bad move. It’s making it clearer to me that we need Bernie to dismantle the old guard DNC and bring in an more egalitarian philosophy.

1/31/2020 11:50:03 PM

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"to keep Yang out of the debates and Bloomberg in"


the party of diversity

2/1/2020 12:47:29 AM

horosho
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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/480788-cnns-blatant-and-bizarre-tulsi-gabbard-snub
Everyone got CNN townhalls in NH except Tulsi. She's ahead of half of the people who got townhalls btw. The same players are playing the same game and they aren't even hiding it. They are everything they accuse Trump of and thats why they deserve him as their president.

2/1/2020 1:23:28 AM

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If you read that Politico article closely:

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"In conversations on the sidelines of a DNC executive committee meeting and in telephone calls and texts in recent days, about a half-dozen members have discussed the possibility of a policy reversal to ensure that so-called superdelegates can vote on the first ballot at the party’s national convention. "


WOW!!!! The author was able to find 6 delegates out of 400+ Willing to talk about rigging the superdelegate process. Sounds like a slam dunk plan. Every person in a leadership position expounded on how terrible of an idea it is. A better title would have been “DNC leadership refuses to tamper with delegate voting process.”

In case it wasn’t clear to everyone, Now to the election is going to be a constant stream of Bernie Bros flying off the handle to every perceived (real or imagined) slight. And you can be sure the clickbait political writers are gonna rise to the occasion and feed that beast.

2/1/2020 8:44:37 AM

dtownral
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The "bernie bros" (stop invisibilizing his non-male supporters) in my twitter feed actually made the same point you did, that it's only 6 people and not a big deal.

I think you are once again upset about nothing

2/1/2020 12:08:12 PM

rwoody
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Incompetence in iowa

2/3/2020 11:28:50 PM

horosho
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thats all folks

2/3/2020 11:31:25 PM

Bullet
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Why did Nancy rip-up the speech? Was it strategic? Or completely petty?

2/5/2020 9:12:45 AM

rjrumfel
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I think it was all for show. But I don't think she was expecting the reaction she would get.

It's all a reality show now anyway.

2/5/2020 9:21:14 AM

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That sarcastic clapping last go round hurt his feelings, so he didn't shake her hand this time. They're both petty as fuck.

2/5/2020 9:47:04 AM

daaave
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lol performatively ripping up a speech that she clapped for multiple times.

The Democrats, folks

[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 11:16 AM. Reason : .]

2/5/2020 10:57:48 AM

Bullet
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I mean, it was a long speech. You can think the vast majority of the speech was bullshit, but agree with a few parts of it. You know?

2/5/2020 11:00:42 AM

daaave
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sure, i enjoyed when she clapped as they paraded in a fascist collaborator trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government



[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 11:14 AM. Reason : queen]

2/5/2020 11:13:38 AM

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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/va-dems-kill-pro-union-bill-after-learning-ceos-oppose-it.html

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" http://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1227267023186669568

The push to repeal right-to-work in Virginia fell apart last week after a fiscal estimate found it would cost the state millions.

The empirical basis for that estimate: A survey of CEOs."


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"http://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1227366652041482244

Can you imagine Republican state legislators killing a bill that is *guaranteed* to help Republicans win elections over even a much more credible cost estimate than this?"


1 step forward, 100 steps back

[Edited on February 11, 2020 at 7:12 PM. Reason : .]

2/11/2020 7:10:23 PM

utowncha
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100 steps back? i think virginia democrats are accomplishing quite enough.

2/13/2020 7:28:48 AM

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