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Let me put it this way. The number of people in dire need who wouldn't qualify via means testing FAR EXCEEDS the number of rich people who would get a universal income.

I don't think you guys have thought through this long enough to realize there is no way of accurately "means testing" to determine who needs assistance and who doesn't. If you did, you'd understand. I'm sure Pelosi and Schumer understand but their priorities are in a different place.

3/19/2020 4:29:42 PM

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"you guys"

Only one person since your last post has called for means testing

3/19/2020 4:50:47 PM

horosho
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Understand that just because only one person on this site is saying something doesn't mean they are the only person saying it. "You guys" is probably millions of people in that case.

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 4:53 PM. Reason : would be easier to understand if you focused more on what is being said than who is saying it.]

3/19/2020 4:52:51 PM

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You think millions of people read tww

This is a conversation dumbshit, when you "you guys" it implies you are talking to the other posters here.

This isn't twitter

3/19/2020 4:59:24 PM

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soap box is twitter #2

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 5:08 PM. Reason : a group DM]

3/19/2020 5:08:16 PM

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Dang q you're owning me left and right. But you (or someone) answered my pm so I'll allow it.

3/19/2020 5:09:24 PM

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not an own. just a lighthearted comment.

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 5:26 PM. Reason : the soap box crowd really is basically a microcosm of politics twitter in many ways. imo]

3/19/2020 5:25:33 PM

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Yes my comment was also lighthearted

I still contend that Earl saying "you guys" and then acting like he meant the general public makes him a dumbshit

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 5:38 PM. Reason : It doesn't "make" him a dumbshit I guess, just more evidence that he is one]

3/19/2020 5:37:49 PM

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rwoody is spot on here and it has been a problem for four years with some people on the left projecting their views onto Trump and saying he’s “to the left” of X or Y Democrat. It’s never true and it’s counterproductive to the progressive movement at large.

Bottom line is Pelosi and Schumer deserve every critique they get. But they aren’t being outflanked from the left by the likes of Tom fucking Cotton.

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 5:40 PM. Reason : X]

3/19/2020 5:39:00 PM

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maybe i have a short memory. i don't recall too many instances of the left saying Trump was to the left of too many Dems

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 5:47 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2020 5:46:21 PM

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Twitter isn’t real life... but literally Bernie’s spokesman intimated it.

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1240344515514376192?s=21

Not only her but she is most prominent

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 5:51 PM. Reason : Charlie Brown. Football.]

3/19/2020 5:47:55 PM

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Trump will campaign to the left on many issues, I'm sure. Of course they'll all be lies - but no one cares about that on the right. On the left, Biden's record will catch up to him and people will lose enthusiasm.

3/19/2020 6:19:33 PM

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Its not like everyone has a static position. There are tons of issues each with their own spectrum. Everyone knows Pelosi is left on almost every social issue and the GOP is right on mostly every social issue. We are talking about this particular issue right now. Nothing else. Pelosi is conservative on this and the entire GOP isn't to her left. Its only some of them.

I'm glad to see Maxine Waters stepping up. I have criticized her a bit in the past but will give credit where credit is due. She just wrote a HEROIC call to action to her colleagues.

https://financialservices.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fsc_covid-19_legislative_package_-_03.18.20.pdf

Its times like these when you find out who people really are.

3/19/2020 7:39:10 PM

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agreed on Maxine Waters. her proposal is excellent

3/19/2020 8:30:32 PM

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^^holy shit, that would cost what $4-5 trillion?

3/19/2020 8:36:23 PM

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https://twitter.com/jstein_wapo/status/1241143469491527680?s=21

I’ve talked some shit about Schumer but if he stays strong in this (I know, I know...) this is more like what is needed. So I fully expect him to make some deal where McConnell can confirm 1,234 judges for a 3-day weekend instead.

3/20/2020 10:35:37 PM

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That is still awful. What about contractors, 1099ers, self-employed, tipped workers, seasonal workers?.... all get left out.

And then you have Schiff acknowledging this but working to extend benefits to people like this who are in SAG-AFTA, ie only looking out for entertainment workers who fall through the cracks because thats his district.

The reality is, these people are so out of touch and have lived outside the real world for so long that they may not be aware of how many people they are about to leave out. All because Nancy demands means testing.

[Edited on March 20, 2020 at 10:54 PM. Reason : k]

3/20/2020 10:53:46 PM

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Anyone still following the Andrew Gillum story? Police say he was inebriated and let him go without incident, he then checked himself into rehab for a drinking problem and depression.

Candace Owens in all her conspiracy-theorist glory tweeted that he was passed out naked and that the party was a meth-induced gay orgy.

Then yesterday the Daily Mail (tabloid sensationalist publication) published a picture of a black man passed out over a puddle of vomit claiming that it was Gillum, but no one else has been able to prove or disprove that it's him.

I can't find any information about this other than alt-right conservatives and James Woods sharing the Daily Mail pictures. Real or tabloid hoax?

3/21/2020 12:45:45 PM

horosho
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Funny how the GOP always "wins" these battles and "gets their way". Yet democrats never seem to ask why.

3/25/2020 1:04:14 PM

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https://twitter.com/govhowarddean/status/1243504562037829633?s=21

Ryan Grim broke the Christine Blasey Ford story also btw

3/27/2020 11:52:10 AM

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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1245735705499836416

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"Millions of people have lost their employer-tied health care over the last two weeks because of the pandemic.

It's an easy call: Re-open the health care exchanges."


lmfao

4/3/2020 3:01:29 PM

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https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1247333355416219649

WTF?

He has dementia obviously. Can't even string together sentences. America had the chance to choose Sanders, but they chose this buffoon.

Trump will absolutely slaughter him in the debates with his fast talking.

4/7/2020 3:37:38 PM

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the Democratic Party has done its best to lose 2 elections in a row that should be foregone conclusions in their favor

4/7/2020 7:38:03 PM

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Sanders would absolutely be a better choice than Biden. Same with Warren.

But can you stupid fucks please watch Trump speak once? He is as senile and incoherent as Biden. He got slaughtered in every single debate against Clinton and still won. Debates don’t mean shit in a general.

I talk fast too. Vote for me.

[Edited on April 7, 2020 at 7:48 PM. Reason : Seriously, he talks fast? So does the fucking micro machine man]

4/7/2020 7:47:23 PM

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The rest of that interview was fine. If you want to cherry pick 20 second clips of a man with a stutter fucking up a speech, have fun

4/7/2020 7:57:12 PM

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I don’t know. He seems fine most of the time but the bad times are REALLY bad and it’s not the stuttering. Same with Trump, tbh. He can speak like a human mostly and then he’ll have weird ass slurs and neurological ticks that make you wonder if he short-circuited.

Basically both of them are what the media thought Clinton was health-wise in 2016.

[Edited on April 7, 2020 at 8:04 PM. Reason : Lol trump forgot the letters in WHO literally two hours ago ]

4/7/2020 8:00:45 PM

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"If you want to cherry pick 20 second clips of a man with a stutter fucking up a speech, have fun"


So you watched all the debates and think his poor performance in them was due to his stutter?

Dude would totally forget what he was saying and look down. Repeatedly. Really a bad look. And he clearly didn't want the spotlight on him as he didn't use all his time...the strategy involved there is clearly at play now with him doing weekly appearances while Trump is out there every day taking questions and talking to America

4/7/2020 8:33:33 PM

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He's been decent in the debates. He's a terrible orator compared to many of the other candidates, but it's not like he's just up there slurring.

His 1v1 with Sanders was honestly pretty good. Sanders called covid-19 'ebola' a few times, but who cares?

Again, I'd rather not vote for anyone in their 70s, but I don't buy into the whole 'BIDEN HAS DEMENTIA' , I think that's coming from bernie bros, IRA, or trumpers

4/7/2020 8:40:27 PM

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"His 1v1 with Sanders was honestly pretty good."


i wonder what research chemical they had him on that night

4/7/2020 8:45:53 PM

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Ha, hilarious! I wonder what original joke you're going to come up with next!

4/7/2020 9:13:49 PM

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Trump is better at debates than all of them. He has the ability to think on his feet and drop in little one liner insults that definitely land amongst viewers who aren't very informed (americans). The way he has the propensity to jump in and interrupt someone is anything but senile. Remember "because you'd be in jail"? Even though it was inappropriate, it was perfectly timed and came after a long series of him talking over her by commenting hits onto her entire response.
https://youtu.be/Irw956jPLOA?t=58
Pay attention to physical delivery. The way he stands over her and uses hand gestures. Then stick around for all of his interruptions. Its almost like he was adlibbing her entire response. Absolutely dominant.

With that said, Hillary was a much better professional speaker than all of them and we saw how that doesn't correlate to debates because Trump breaks all the rules and flips the debate structure upside down.


[Edited on April 7, 2020 at 9:28 PM. Reason : bernie is also bad at debates. not biden bad but worse than most of the candidates were this year]

[Edited on April 7, 2020 at 9:29 PM. Reason : that was against hillary who was almost obama level sharp. he will WIPE the floor with biden]

4/7/2020 9:26:23 PM

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tRuMp Is ShArP aS a TaCk AnD hAs ThE bIgGeSt BeSt MoSt BeAuTiFuL bRaIn

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 7:53 AM. Reason : Earl is a dentist, so he knows dominant body language]

4/8/2020 7:52:56 AM

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It’s ironic that Earl actually treats politics exactly like the media he hate-consumes more than any person I’ve ever tangentially come into contact with. That entire post was pure media-driven horse race crap.

4/8/2020 7:56:40 AM

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"He's been decent in the debates"


Disagree. He was closer to decent in some of the latter debates but downright terrible in the earlier ones.

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" Sanders called covid-19 'ebola' a few times, but who cares?"


That's a gaffe which Uncle Joe is famous for but I'm not talking about gaffes.

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"tRuMp Is ShArP aS a TaCk AnD hAs ThE bIgGeSt BeSt MoSt BeAuTiFuL bRaIn"


I wouldn't go that far, but in 2016 at least he was way more mentally agile on the debate stage than what we're seeing from Biden so far in 2020.

4/8/2020 12:49:22 PM

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what do you mean? his basement interviews lately have been incredible!

4/8/2020 1:34:35 PM

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Biden vs Hillary

Who do you choose?

Vote here: https://twitter.com/jules_su/status/1247992543700189184

4/8/2020 5:13:31 PM

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Why

4/8/2020 5:19:36 PM

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"Trump is better at debates than all of them. He has the ability to think on his feet and drop in little one liner insults that definitely land amongst viewers who aren't very informed (americans)."


Trump is a better performer than the people he goes up against, which counts for a lot in debates. But he's not "agile" in the way you're painting him. He only has one schtick, and I don't think it's one that was carefully prepared or anything; it's just how he is. The problem is that it's a new schtick to the politicians he's gone up against, and they haven't been able to adapt. So nobody's flexible, but Trump has the advantage of being novel.

Honestly it shouldn't be that hard to counter. All it takes is for someone to be aggressive in both their logic and their delivery. Hillary could manage the first but not the second. I remember groaning at her giving a fake laugh and saying, "The fact checkers are going to be busy tonight." Nobody gives a shit about your fact checkers! Just call him a goddamn liar! Don't be civil, don't dance around it, use the word "liar" often and angrily and if you have to get into a shouting match, fine.

This is one area in which Biden gives me a sliver (if only a sliver) of hope. If his memory holds so that he can retain his arguments, I have some faith in his ability to deliver them right.

4/9/2020 8:35:16 AM

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2016 Biden (which was sharper no doubt) facetiously said he’d punch Trump in the face or something and the media collectively clutched their pearls. I have little doubt if a Democrat actually punched back at Trump they’d lose their shit over it.

Calling Trump mentally agile is a complete joke, though. As ^ pointed out. He’s always, for 40 years, been a one trick pony. But he used to be a lot more coherent. Night and day stuff in interviews.

4/9/2020 8:40:32 AM

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When you say "the media clutched their pearls," are you laying that out as a negative?

4/9/2020 9:50:21 AM

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Can we be a little more clear on something?

Trump is not better at debates or debating.

He is a sleazy piece of shit who disregards the rules of debates (and everything else) and is not called out on it( just like everything else).

Cheating at something does not make you better at it. It makes you an asshole, and it's society's job to shun assholes. but instead we elect them to office and watch the batchelor and cheer for barry bonds and carolina fans exist

4/9/2020 11:22:38 AM

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^^ what I meant was that the media acted offended on Trumps behalf (sort of like the Michelle Wolf thing.

But when I went to retrace that it turns out I was wrong and conflated the deplorables media outrage with Biden.

Mea culpa.

4/9/2020 11:38:27 AM

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*gets leverage* *still caves immediately*

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"Democrats cave: Nothing for states or cities, nothing for election protection or the post office, no oversight, no limits on fossil fuel bailouts, no food stamps. They got some testing - somehow that’s a GOP concession! - but no contact tracing. https://t.co/PWjOoaWozN"

4/21/2020 5:07:14 PM

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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1252968148384415747?s=21

????????

4/22/2020 10:57:38 PM

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https://twitter.com/anastasiakeeley/status/1252998632124690433?s=21

?????????????????????

4/22/2020 10:59:08 PM

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I'm not gonna click on anything with more than 3 questions marks

It's a crazy world out there and we all have our limits

4/22/2020 11:28:39 PM

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Ok, fair, but I'm going to quote them because they're exceptional

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"John Kerry: "We really need a President like Jack Kenney or Ronald Reagan who would sit there and say the buck does stop here.""


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"Cuomo was just asked what he'd say to people who are upset that because they can't work, they are out of money and the government isn't helping them fast enough. He said that they should go get a job as an essential worker.

The reporter said that people aren't hiring and he said "sure they are."

The context was about the protesters, and the reporter did a great job of framing the question in a way that it applied to everyone suffering economically whose needs were not being met by the state."

4/22/2020 11:53:34 PM

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"Honestly it shouldn't be that hard to counter. All it takes is for someone to be aggressive in both their logic and their delivery. Hillary could manage the first but not the second. I remember groaning at her giving a fake laugh and saying, "The fact checkers are going to be busy tonight." Nobody gives a shit about your fact checkers! Just call him a goddamn liar! Don't be civil, don't dance around it, use the word "liar" often and angrily and if you have to get into a shouting match, fine."


That's kind of the fire with fire approach. Honestly, I am sick of this hateful and divisive rhetoric that Trump has inspired amongst the people. Trump wins as a president because he can cut people off and then go on a rant. He never really polled that well against the debates at all against Hillary, and he owes a large percentage of his victory to the FBI announcement.

I am by no means an expert in debate prep, but I have personally found that shoving facts in the face of people that are ignorantly ranting is a good strategy.

4/23/2020 1:11:37 AM

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" Ok, fair"


Lol. This was funny(to me)

And really is even Cuomo off limits to radical dems now? Or did I read few words of your post wrong?

4/23/2020 4:07:38 AM

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Not sure what you mean but he's def shitting on cuomos terrible answer

4/23/2020 7:09:26 AM

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