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^ That's awesome! He is like a Bernie-lite... love the dude and his energy and desire to help people.

3/5/2020 2:29:48 AM

NyM410
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It would be political malpractice if they just hand Trump fiscal stimulus without writing into law some sort of automatic stabilization legislation.

Because you can bet your ass next time a Democrat President comes to a GOP-led congress in a crisis asking for stimulus the answer would be “go fuck yourself and take the American people with you.”

[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 7:37 AM. Reason : X]

3/10/2020 7:36:34 AM

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I’m starting to realize I actually did like Hillary as a candidate, because I can’t bring myself to publicly advocate for Biden.

3/10/2020 9:28:20 AM

utowncha
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is anyone here excited for biden except NyM? comment will probably make him mad because he too is ashamed.

3/10/2020 10:47:38 AM

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486749-biden-cites-delays-cost-when-asked-about-medicare-for-all-veto

fuck this guy. 80-90% of the party and a majority of Americans support M4A.

"we can push him to the left!"

[Edited on March 10, 2020 at 11:10 AM. Reason : .]

3/10/2020 11:06:31 AM

utowncha
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Calm down before you get labeled a Trump supporter.

3/10/2020 11:12:58 AM

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seems like campaigning on a m4a veto during a pandemic isn't a good strategy

3/10/2020 12:02:15 PM

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This actually is a good look for Biden:
https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1237387463246708736?s=20

This is basically what the majority of American's want, and he's forceful, genuine, and fairly clearly articulating this.

3/10/2020 12:54:15 PM

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"AR-14"

i know Trump lowered the bar significantly... but geez

3/10/2020 1:12:00 PM

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am i misunderstanding him, or did biden want to meet that guy outside to fight?

3/10/2020 1:13:20 PM

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^^^ I don't hate that. I mean sure he fucked up the 14/15 but otherwise good for him

3/10/2020 1:17:12 PM

utowncha
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did he say twin gauge

3/10/2020 3:23:27 PM

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/06/opinion/working-class-death-rate.html

Interest look at deaths of despair. Seems like something happened during the Obama years that caused uneducated white people to really want to kill themselves.

3/10/2020 5:04:23 PM

horosho
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Trump wants to eliminate the payroll tax. Chuck Schumer threatening to block it from the right.

3/10/2020 10:23:17 PM

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^^ "something"

And lots of those deaths haven't been intentional.

3/10/2020 10:39:35 PM

NyM410
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^^ this is.. what???

Do you... do you know what the payroll tax funds?

Also, he wants it only to be cut through November.

AcTuAlLy TrUmP iS mOrE lEfT tHaN tHe DeMoCrAtS

^ lol, what even planet am I on. Does he not remember what happened in 2007-09? And what that led to?

[Edited on March 11, 2020 at 7:34 AM. Reason : X]

3/11/2020 7:33:32 AM

utowncha
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heck yeah. im not gonna see any of those crumbs anyway!

3/11/2020 7:41:26 AM

horosho
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^^Taxes don't fund spending but your party thinks so at the guaranteed peril of everything so fuck it, Might as well look out for myself since we're fucked anyway. Go ahead and try to convince people that getting 6% of their income back is bad for them.

3/11/2020 10:47:21 AM

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Payroll taxes literally fund SS and Medicare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/trump-pitched-0percent-payroll-tax-rate-for-the-rest-of-this-year-white-house-officials-say.html

Paragraph 2.

(Caveat: im not a tax expert so I’m relying on third party information)

3/11/2020 11:21:02 AM

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https://twitter.com/johnrobertsfox/status/1237762962431115264?s=21

Yup, I was right

3/11/2020 11:32:17 AM

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trump smart man, cutting taxes good

3/11/2020 12:08:22 PM

horosho
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A tweet doesn't make you right. Treasury funds SS and medicare and budget deficits don't stop spending. You are fueling conservative talking point for austerity which leads to the part you are correct about. Cutting the payroll tax may lead to a discussion of "Now that we have a bigger deficit, we have to find something to cut".

What you "how you gonna pay for it?" types don't understand is that money is money. Congress may earmark funds or say that the reason for payroll tax is to fund SS and medicare but the truth is that the government creates money, spends it and then collects various taxes to take money off the books and limit inflation. The reason politicians give for a tax does not actually mean that money literally funds those systems.

We could permanently end the payroll tax and keep medicare and SS and either
A. just have a bigger deficit or
B. cut something else like military or
C. raise some other tax

Don't be so TDS that you'll hurt working people just to keep Trump from getting a "win"

3/11/2020 1:14:44 PM

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" lol, what even planet am I on. Does he not remember what happened in 2007-09? And what that led to?"


Well, at least he calls himself a moron

3/11/2020 1:16:56 PM

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the deaths ramped up during the recovery though and continued to accelerate under trump (partially due to trumps dumb trade wars)

3/11/2020 1:18:09 PM

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Earl, we know about MMT. You aren’t unique or groundbreaking.

3/11/2020 1:42:01 PM

horosho
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You are the one who said I was unique, or Earl or that the payroll tax 'literally funds' medicare and SS. Knowing about MMT, and rejecting fiscal conservatism are two different things. You are using fear of SS cuts trying to scare people into rejecting their own relief.

[Edited on March 11, 2020 at 1:50 PM. Reason : shame on you]

3/11/2020 1:49:55 PM

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I'm ready for a 4-party system.

3/11/2020 6:40:48 PM

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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article241165641.html

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"Andrew Gillum, who in 2018 came within 34,000 votes of becoming Florida's governor, was discovered by police at a South Beach hotel early Friday morning in a room with bags of possible methamphetamine and in the company of a man who appeared to have overdosed on drugs, according to a Miami Beach police report...

Police say Gillum, who was not arrested, was too intoxicated to answer questions. An offense incident report says that officers found three clear plastic baggies of suspected crystal meth on the bed and floor."


[Edited on March 13, 2020 at 2:08 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2020 2:07:34 PM

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Ugh

3/13/2020 2:22:13 PM

utowncha
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lol was he being seriously vetted by anyone? i saw him on some lists.

3/13/2020 6:30:03 PM

horosho
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You all know the administration is a POS but you need to take your heads out of your asses and realize Pelosi is an unempathetic POS who orchestrated this half-assed bill solely for self promotion and to crack a toast with republicans including DJT. Never forget this.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/opinion/coronavirus-pelosi-sick-leave.html

[Edited on March 15, 2020 at 12:39 AM. Reason : bipartisan]

3/15/2020 12:36:06 AM

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Here is my post treating Pelosi like horosho treats Trump:

Pelosi's plan to pass a weak bill to trick Republicans into supporting financial assistance is working great. She is an excellent negotiator, you should read her book. Very skilled maneuvering, she's clearly playing 4d chess 2 steps ahead.

3/16/2020 12:28:09 PM

horosho
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You think you're being funny but of course Pelosi is a master at fooling people. Thats how she has stayed in Washington for so long and risen to higher and higher power despite creating nothing but failure after failure.

[Edited on March 16, 2020 at 12:35 PM. Reason : to be frank, we have a dumb population overall]

3/16/2020 12:35:17 PM

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r/selfawarewolves

3/16/2020 1:52:21 PM

NyM410
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https://twitter.com/catargetbot/status/1240362367189319680?s=21

Anyone who says Democrats are being beat from the left by the GOP deserves to be eaten by wolves.

This is true at the same time as saying Pelosi et al should not try to please moderates and the GOP and should pass the best plan for American workers and the less fortunate.

3/18/2020 9:24:10 PM

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Wait, I thought centrist/moderate dems weren't real and that independents were a lost cause, and that the left shouldn't try to court their votes because those people were just shy Trumpers who were going to get carried away by a radical blue tsunami.

I'm so confused right now.

Maybe it's because I burned through all my 'snack' edibles that I thought would carry me through the rest of the week. Or maybe it's because I don't understand the complete 180 by the Sanderistas who are now pretending like they never made these claims, while still refusing to admit they were wrong about blaming Warren just a week ago



[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 12:37 AM. Reason : high]

3/19/2020 12:33:47 AM

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I was right about Warren since last summer. How were bernie bros wrong about warren a week ago?

Just because Pelosi is to the right of some republicans doesn't imply that she is to the right of them as a whole. Pelosi has no lane. Her types are privileged coastal folks who want to hear nice speeches that help them pretend and feel like they have virtue.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/18/refusal-pelosi-consider-universal-cash-payments-response-coronavirus-pandemic

Trump and the GOP are making the worst case scenario come true. They are claiming the working class populist movement by cornering the democrats from the left. A fiscally left GOP opens the door for the scariest type of popular movement. I blame it on Pelosi's arrogance and refusal to listen to throw the people a bone. Hard to blame her when a lot of these fools line up to vote for her over and over while getting nothing out of it.

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""I truly don't know how to describe how maddening it is that Republicans and Trump officials are to the left of Congressional Dem leadership on this issue," tweeted activist Jordan Uhl. "


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""Nancy Pelosi is officially to the right of Tom Cotton on economic support for American families," HuffPost reporter Zach Carter tweeted on Sunday. "This is a total failure of Democratic Party leadership.""


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""This crazy obsession in Dem leadership with looking 'reasonable' by not 'doing too much' is about as impractical and insane as you can get in the face of a pandemic," Chakrabarti tweeted."

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""Trump, who bungled the early response to coronavirus, is starting to take actions resembling Bernie Sanders' proposals—monthly checks, ramping up production via the Defense Production Act, freezing foreclosures and evictions," said Bragman. "All while Dems push things like tax rebates. Baffling.""

They will never take responsibility. Just stay the course and double down on blaming Russia.

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 1:44 AM. Reason : we have two parties, fiscal conservative/social liberal vs. social conservative/populist]

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 1:46 AM. Reason : this is where a generation of voting against your interest for the "lesser evil" gets you.]

3/19/2020 1:31:18 AM

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I honestly don’t give a fuck who and what party is responsible. I just want them to figure this out, so we do not experience a depression. This is making 2008 look like nothing.

3/19/2020 2:53:47 AM

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" Trump and the GOP are making the worst case scenario come true. They are claiming the working class populist movement by cornering the democrats from the left. A fiscally left GOP opens the door for the scariest type of popular movement."


Jesus fucking Christ. Go get eaten by a bear.

You are the biggest dupe on the planet. They are literally voting against paid sick leave.

a) Tom Cotton says something
b) Earl creams his pants
c) Tom Cotton directly votes against what be said he’d do
d) .......

^ this. Massive stimulus is a guarantee because Trump wants to be re-elected. If he is, thanks to dupes and marks like Earl, he’ll go right back to corporate giveaways, gutting the ACA (which he’s STILL doing in court) with no replacement, environmental deregulation and wanting to strip Medicare/Social Security. It’s like they have the memory of a goldfish

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 7:07 AM. Reason : X]

3/19/2020 6:59:37 AM

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https://twitter.com/anitakumar01/status/1240420560775131137?s=21

eCoNoMiC pOpUlIsM

(This won’t actually happen just like trump saying stupid shit to try and lure leftists like Earl in and being treated like a serious policy proposal)

3/19/2020 7:58:44 AM

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I'm not sure if Earl even read the Pelosi link. That link calls out that she didn't want to give stimulus checks to the wealthy and rather do more prescribed measures for the less affluent and use tax return data to achieve that.

3/19/2020 1:28:46 PM

horosho
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Yeah. She wanted to fuck millions of people over to save money. Basically the ACA equivalent.

3/19/2020 1:30:50 PM

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Pelosi's means-testing approach is wrong.

https://vocal.media/theSwamp/should-we-provide-emergency-universal-basic-income-to-everyone-or-just-those-who-need-it

https://theweek.com/articles/903154/democrats-destructive-obsession-means-testing

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 2:56 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2020 2:07:46 PM

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^ I get that is there opinion and I get that the UBI crowd would feel that way given their support for income to everyone. I'd say that is a policy based argument, but one with which I disagree with the policy.

But the earlier reference to Pelosi was that she was right of the Republicans, of which I don't view means testing being an example. In fact, I'd say money only to the disenfranchised and not the wealthy is more left than anything.

3/19/2020 3:23:57 PM

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Mayor Pete is left of Bernie

Bernie: the moderate choice

3/19/2020 3:28:11 PM

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Pelosi is obviously not to the right of Republicans, generally

and you're right, means-tested vs universal programs is the key policy issue. you have pointed out the folly of many on the left vilifying the affluent. so now the left falls into the trap of saying "the rich don't deserve to participate in the publicly funded social benefits system" and trying to means-test the affluent OUT, when all that really does is to end up hurting the disenfranchised who inevitably fall through the cracks.

3/19/2020 3:48:22 PM

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The "left" doesn't do that, centrists do that

3/19/2020 3:49:18 PM

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They all do it, But the left purports to care so much more about those less affluent and poor people, but end up defending means tested programs over universal ones. Often with the justification that rich people don't deserve those public benefits.

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 3:59 PM. Reason : bless it]

3/19/2020 3:56:25 PM

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You're conflating different groups of people. Bernie and crew "vilify" billionaires (by thinking they should have less money?) and encourage universal benefits. Biden and crew don't really "vilify" billionaires and prefer means tested.

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"Trump has not gotten to the Democrats' left on economic relief. Pelosi's approach and messaging deserve sharp critique. But if you suggest the GOP's proposals are substantively more egalitarian, you are aiding mendacious propaganda.
https://t.co/tn95m9nqMo"

https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1240653022000295937?s=19

[Edited on March 19, 2020 at 4:01 PM. Reason : Even my thing is too black and white.... ]

3/19/2020 4:01:01 PM

utowncha
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how poor do i need to be to get my money back

3/19/2020 4:23:15 PM

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