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aaronburro
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No doubt the NRA is pandering some, but the inability to obtain insurance at all would be a serious blow to any organization. Not being able to process checks or accept credit card transactions is pretty bad, too.

8/5/2018 8:01:18 PM

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"I’d support banning 3D printed guns but the same law should also ban commercial manufacturing of guns using additive manufacturing techniques"


the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to guarantee firearm ownership to citizens, not protect established for profit gun companies. We've always had the right to make our own firearms. If I were to purchase a 3D printer for the purpose of making firearms, it would only be for the purpose of creating molds for aluminum castings. Do you think that should be banned also?

8/6/2018 1:49:55 PM

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https://www.npr.org/2018/09/10/646341352/7-people-stabbed-in-paris-knife-attack

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"Seven people were injured when a man wielding a knife and iron bar attacked people on a street in Paris late Sunday"

9/10/2018 10:49:31 PM

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This is very near the 2015 mass shooting. Shitty.

9/11/2018 8:13:52 AM

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I'm sure this development is purely coincidental

https://gizmodo.com/3d-printed-gun-activist-cody-wilson-charged-with-sexual-1829168263/

9/19/2018 10:56:29 PM

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Maybe just confirmation bias but kinda funny how these hyper libertarians turn out to be pedos

9/19/2018 11:38:24 PM

eleusis
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CIA honeypot operation, or blackmail gone wrong?

9/20/2018 10:10:42 AM

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deep state

9/20/2018 10:23:30 AM

dtownral
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let's get qanon on it

9/20/2018 10:26:48 AM

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This guy tried to rent an apartment in Taiwan but was recognized and the apt owner turned him in. He’s on the run again.

Somewhat ironically, guns are illegal in Taiwan.

9/20/2018 10:37:20 PM

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16 years old. Legal in NC as long as you don't take pictures.

[Edited on September 21, 2018 at 7:47 AM. Reason : Or pay for it]

9/21/2018 7:46:35 AM

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8 people dead in a synagogue in Pittsburgh.

I wonder if the "thoughts and prayers" folks take a moment to consider that people were murdered in the act of praying and thinking.

10/27/2018 3:44:11 PM

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^its like raaaiinnniaaaan on your wedding day

10/27/2018 5:15:10 PM

bdmazur
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"Wouldn't have happened if they had an armed guard" says Trump. As if four police officers getting shot in the process wasn't enough evidence that a rent-a-cop was going to do zilch to stop anything.

10/28/2018 3:10:27 AM

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"I’d support banning 3D printed guns but the same law should also ban commercial manufacturing of guns using additive manufacturing techniques
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Banning 3D-printed guns would be the most foolish of fool's errands. Basically nobody 3D prints guns, because they fucking suck and there are much better solutions out there now. The CAD files and stuff are out there, but they're just socked away on peoples' hard drives, never to be built unless as a last resort because, uhh, things got banned.

I've never seen a 3D printed gun, or even personally heard of anyone building one, let alone an incident of one being used in a crime. I know multiple people who have home-built multiple guns, but never by 3D printing.

[Edited on October 28, 2018 at 3:46 AM. Reason : ]

10/28/2018 3:45:55 AM

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^yep

you can buy every piece of an AR-15 except the lower receiver in a kit, then buy that part 80% done. just have to drill and tap some holes or something. i'm sure the anti gun types want to ban making guns in your basement no matter how you did it tho





[Edited on October 28, 2018 at 7:25 AM. Reason : s]

10/28/2018 7:13:54 AM

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I would imagine that a 3D printed lower for an AR15 will in the next 3-5 years be durable enough to not be considered a novelty. They're not quite there yet, but people will continue to develop better printers and polymers as they become more in demand.

3D printers would serve useful for developing cheap molds for casting metal to make your own gun parts. That's where I see a more likely scenario where 3D printers are used by gun hobbyists.

10/28/2018 9:26:53 AM

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also small CNC milling machines are getting cheap which can easily spit out lower receivers

[Edited on October 28, 2018 at 10:33 AM. Reason : t]

10/28/2018 10:31:52 AM

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"Basically nobody 3D prints guns"

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"I've never seen a 3D printed gun, or even personally heard of anyone building one, let alone an incident of one being used in a crime"


For now...

You argument is banning them would be "foolish of fool's errands" because they suck...for now?

Surely you realize that technology improves over time right? Designs will improve as well.

10/28/2018 11:03:19 AM

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They also ignored the main point of the quoted post which was addictive manufacturing

10/28/2018 2:31:41 PM

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^^ got it. all the more reason not to ban them.

3D printing of guns was supplanted years ago by better processes. The technology has already improved--jigs and templates to easily build various firearms with common hand tools are out there now. From a "higher" technology perspective, small CNC milling machines are getting affordable and user-friendly enough that people are building at home with those, too. Sure, I don't doubt that 3D printing will improve and start to compete again with these other methods plus whatever else gets dreamed up, but who cares? It's not like 3D printing will open Pandora's Box. It's already open. It has never not been open. It won't even make it meaningfully more open than just milling them at home. You can also get polymer receivers now, ready to go. You can mill your own polymer ones from 80% blanks. The same with metal (cast or forged). If they outlawed 80% blanks, which would be fairly tough, legally (at some point, you're just outlawing blocks of metal...wherever you drew the line, the tinkerers and industry would find a way around it, precisely because technology improves), then people would just cast aluminum. That's not hard...I've done it before.

About the only things that would be hard to do right now would be to 3D print a durable polymer receiver, or to forge a receiver from scratch...and gaining the capability to do either of those would really just be a novelty--to push the envelope simply because you can--rather than any sort of advancement in the capability of homebuilt guns.

OK...so now you're thinking "OK, then just ban or restrict the legality of home-building your own guns at all, by any method." We'll assume that this could pass legal muster, particularly with current SCOTUS, and that it became politically viable to begin with. Now you've really fucked up. There are basically 2 reasons people build stuff at home. One is the same reason people build models and RC airplanes and pottery and home woodworking, etc--they like to tinker, build, create, tweak things, etc. The other reason is fear of regulation/confiscation/banning. If you want to make this once totally esoteric, still tiny minority activity proliferate and accelerate wildly, just start fucking with people about it, or even talking seriously about fucking with them. That's largely its raison d'être; the last thing you want to do if you want less gun homebuilding is to talk about gov't banning of the activity that exists largely as a backstop against gov't banning.

and they're not hurting anything, anyway. It would be one thing if they posed some significant problem, and we had to pick our policy poison and take a chance on feeding the beast...but that's not where we're at. You have a non-issue, that you are talking about engaging in an impossible cat & mouse game against, that is likely to create a problem where there previously wasn't one of any meaningful consequence.

and even if you wanted to embark on such a fool's errand, 3D printing specifically would be the singularly dumbest corner to attack of this overall most spectacularly stupid unproductive waste of political capital anyone could possibly engage in from a gun policy perspective.


[Edited on October 28, 2018 at 10:41 PM. Reason : ]

10/28/2018 10:36:27 PM

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^^3d printing IS addictive manufacturing

^"don't ban something bc people will hoard it and use it anyway" isn't a good argument. The argument should be about why its better for the public good to be legal with/without regulations. "people will do it anyway" is an answer to any law and seems to be the baseline refrain for ANY type of of gun control.

[Edited on October 29, 2018 at 9:43 AM. Reason : E]

10/29/2018 9:35:40 AM

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^^yeah, that's exactly what happened with ammo/reloading. As soon as politicians started threatening to cinch down on ammunition sales, reloading went mainstream in the gun community.

[Edited on October 29, 2018 at 9:36 AM. Reason : Jd]

10/29/2018 9:36:00 AM

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"^^3d printing IS addictive manufacturing
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it's one method, but from context it's clear they mean methods other than 3d printing. here was their statement:
I’d support banning 3D printed guns but the same law should also ban commercial manufacturing of guns using additive manufacturing techniques

10/29/2018 9:51:16 AM

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Gotcha. I guess Moron would have to clear it up but i thought his real distinction was including commercial in what he considered a personal production ban.

As long as they are identifiable and detectable, I'm not sure why it matters what materials a company uses to make its guns

[Edited on October 29, 2018 at 10:10 AM. Reason : E]

10/29/2018 10:09:38 AM

dtownral
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i think they are referring to companies selling 95% lowers

10/29/2018 10:14:06 AM

eleusis
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milling out an 80% lower isn't an additive manufacturing technique, so I don't see how he was trying to imply that with his statement unless he doesn't understand the process.

10/29/2018 4:47:15 PM

dtownral
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Well it is, so

10/29/2018 6:03:31 PM

eleusis
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nothing gets added to an 80% upper - material is removed to allow room to drop in the fire control group.

10/29/2018 6:27:56 PM

dtownral
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The rest of the parts get added

Ask moron what he means, but its clearly something other than 3d printing

10/29/2018 9:31:04 PM

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I have not commented on any 3D printing thing ITT... 3D printing is additive manufacturing though, there are lots of ways to do 3D printing, from fused deposition (the normal plastic spool stuff you see that usually can only create prototypes) to laser sintering (usable for production aircraft components).

https://3dinsider.com/3d-printer-types/

You can 3D print something and have to still mill/machine it later, but obviously this is a little harder to do at home since mills are pricer and harder to program than 3D printers.

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Yeah, i was saying if we're going to ban 3D printing of guns at home, it doesn't make sense to ONLY ban the 3D printing at home, it should be banned everywhere. This law wouldn't work, just like trying to ban piracy. But it would thwart the proliferation of gun manufacturers since traditional technique would keep the barrier to entry higher than normal.



[Edited on October 29, 2018 at 10:36 PM. Reason : ]

10/29/2018 10:32:00 PM

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Hmm +1 point for me

10/29/2018 11:31:03 PM

eleusis
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"The rest of the parts get added"


you go beyond full retard at times to keep from having to admit you're wrong.

10/30/2018 8:49:50 AM

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I'm not the one who made the point you complete donut

10/30/2018 11:08:58 AM

rwoody
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Moron explained his point and it's clear you misinterpreted his admittedly unclear statement. Also "adding parts" is obviously not "additive manufacturing", i think that was eleusis' point.

10/30/2018 11:20:02 AM

dtownral
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i haven't denied i misinterpreted his statement you egg, his statement looked like he was using 3d printing and additive manufacturing separately and that's how i read it

10/30/2018 12:15:22 PM

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You have the weirdest insults. But you clearly don't understand what additive manufacturing refers to, which is fine, theres no real reason you should know if you aren't an engineer or something. But, if nothing else, eleusis clearly does know about it so maybe stop trying top argue with him about the basic definition and move on to the meat of your argument.

10/30/2018 1:12:03 PM

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hahaha, what the fuck?

i read this a couple of times yesterday and was like "what the fuck is he even talking about?"

Now I get it. It's just nonsensical.

Quote :
"Yeah, i was saying if we're going to ban 3D printing of guns at home, it doesn't make sense to ONLY ban the 3D printing at home, it should be banned everywhere. This law wouldn't work, just like trying to ban piracy. But it would thwart the proliferation of gun manufacturers since traditional technique would keep the barrier to entry higher than normal."


OK...so...uhh, what is the desired end, here? What are you trying to accomplish?

It seems that at best, you'd thwart the proliferation of very small gun manufacturers who lacked meaningful startup capital, who needed to use 3D printing in the first place...at the expense of expending political capital and kicking a resourceful, strategic, and ingenuitive hornet's nest.

It sounds like regulation for regulation's sake, and then trying to cobble together some way in which it might be beneficial somewhere in the margins.

10/31/2018 1:16:49 AM

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https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/california-shooting-intl/index.html

11/8/2018 7:38:59 AM

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Just another Thursday in the United States of Mass Shootings.

11/8/2018 8:45:47 AM

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Who is ready to ruin the wrong Ian Long’s life on the Internet!!!

11/8/2018 9:47:29 AM

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Who cares, it's just more dead people. We've got to make sure we don't inconvenience anyone trying to get a gun. It's a constitutional right; that would be like asking for someone's papers if they wanted to vote...

wait...

hmm.

11/9/2018 8:47:31 AM

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I know a good number of people who frequently visit that bar on Wednesday nights . Grateful none of them were there this week, terrified at the thought of who/where could be next, saddened that some people still refuse to acknowledge that there's a gun problem in this country.

11/10/2018 4:17:52 AM

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y'all trying to say ex-marines cant have pistols? what gun laws would have stopped this bar shooting?

11/10/2018 5:12:06 AM

dtownral
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who said being able to stop this specific bar shooting is the bar for gun control?


cops had previously been to his house because he was acting crazy from his PTSD, so surely we could figure out some way for that to trigger additional mental health screening or disqualify people form having guns

[Edited on November 10, 2018 at 2:40 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2018 2:37:39 PM

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yeah, that way the cops can go to his house and shoot him dead in the process of taking his guns.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-aa-shooting-20181105-story.html

11/10/2018 6:07:58 PM

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^^ I don't disagree on principle, but even that's not easy.

Didn't he GET evaluated further, and the mental health people said "ehh, he's OK."

11/10/2018 8:06:23 PM

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Can we pay the gun manufacturers to not make any more guns?

It seems like if we paid them more than they were anticipating in profits, they'd practically have to take the money and shut down production.

11/10/2018 9:01:54 PM

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^^ he wasn't really evaluated, and him owning guns wasn't part of any evaluation, that's the whole point about why we need extra laws for gun owners


^^^ "we shouldn't have laws because cops may get hurt when enforcing them" is the dumbest take I've heard so far, congrats

[Edited on November 10, 2018 at 11:36 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2018 11:35:25 PM

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sure you can, if you want to pay them to switch the factories over to making car parts or whatever go for it. of course the price of guns would go way up and new firms would start making guns

that new red flag law in maryland only took less than a month to get someone killed. wow. that's serious bullshit that someone can just give a false statement about you and cops raid your house looking for guns. before the state takes rights away they should at least do in a courtroom where the person can defend themselves. damn

11/11/2018 6:51:53 AM

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