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eleusis
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^^we shouldn't have laws confiscating firearms without due process. Maryland managed to execute the very first person they attempted this bullshit gun confiscation law on.

11/11/2018 8:26:33 AM

rwoody
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Dtr has a PhD in misunderstanding arguments

But still, on the right track, "don't have laws bc police might kill people" sounds like a police problem rather than a laws problem. That shooting also sounded more justified then most of the police shootings i read about these days. They were in a struggle with an armed man and the armed man's firearm discharged.

11/11/2018 9:13:15 AM

dtownral
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I understood his argument, it's the dumbest one so far

11/11/2018 10:33:42 AM

dtownral
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Or, to put it another way: happy to see eleusis has joined us in the abolish the police camp

11/11/2018 10:35:34 AM

eleusis
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It's an example of the practical application of what people in this thread are advocating for. You think the example is dumb because it shits all over what you are advocating for. You can claim it's a cherry picked example, but it's the first example of this type of law being executed and it ended in the manner specified by other sheriffs in the state as to why they were refusing to enforce the law.

Also, the guy had someone beating on his door at 5 in the morning, answered the door with a gun as I would expect many people would at that hour, and had cops tell him they were there to take his guns. The cops claim the gun went off in a struggle and then they shot him. I'd really like to see bodycam footage of what actually happened, because it sounds like bullshit.



[Edited on November 11, 2018 at 6:58 PM. Reason : The problem is politicians, not necessarily police. Other sheriffs are refusing to act on it.]

11/11/2018 6:56:11 PM

dtownral
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Maybe if no one had ever read any of your posts in any cop shooting thread they might take you seriously

11/11/2018 8:01:00 PM

rwoody
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Answering the door with a gun is weird, paranoid shit. But fine. However the dude put the gun down, and then got mad and picked it up again.

Also, when other people get shot/tasted/beat up the bs answer is always "why didnt they comply". I think it sucks the dude got shot and I'm all for adding regulations to force police to make more efforts to de-escalate in this and tons of other situations.

That said, it's a completely different discussion and really has no impact on the actual law. People get shot over petty bullshit traffic stops all the time, should we eliminate all traffic regulations?

11/11/2018 8:01:44 PM

eleusis
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Shooting someone during a traffic stop and shooting someone in their own home are orders of magnitude different.

There's also nothing paranoid about answering your door in the very early hours of the morning with a gun. Lots of home invasions start out that way. There is no good reason for someone to be outside my door beating on it between midnight and 6AM.

11/12/2018 8:21:00 AM

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Quote :
"Maybe if no one had ever read any of your posts in any cop shooting thread they might take you seriously"


+1

While it's nice to see him actually admit a cop might have fucked up, it's only due to his primal dude-with-a-gun urges. Tomorrow he'll be back to defending some idiot cop for shooting a dude holding a butter knife.

[Edited on November 12, 2018 at 9:31 AM. Reason : ^ you actually think the police didn't announce themselves, AND the dude didn't have a peephole or otherwise see a cop car in his driveway?

11/12/2018 9:29:43 AM

rwoody
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^^not "orders of magnitude different" to the person getting shot. Someone is either shot with or without justification, I'm not sure why the location matters.

11/12/2018 9:53:50 AM

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Quote :
"Shooting someone during a traffic stop in their own car and shooting someone in their own home are orders of magnitude different."


fify

[Edited on November 12, 2018 at 11:43 AM. Reason : .]

11/12/2018 11:42:50 AM

Dentaldamn
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https://wgntv.com/2018/11/11/multiple-wounded-in-robbins-bar-shooting-police-say/

This guy was suppose to have a gun.

11/12/2018 1:55:30 PM

dtownral
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wasn't in his house tho

11/12/2018 1:59:48 PM

moron
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^^ that's terrible

11/12/2018 2:53:13 PM

bdmazur
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Looks like the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good white guy with a gun?

11/12/2018 8:09:28 PM

beatsunc
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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/383968-in-the-wake-of-a-gun-ban-venezuela-sees-rising-homicide-rate

12/15/2018 7:25:18 AM

Pred73
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^Sad but predictable. Interesting how they have only confiscated a small fraction of the 6 million firearms. It's almost as if the cops there are not suicidal.

On another note, I have never understood the logic of being anti-cop and pro-gun control. Who do you presume will be enforcing these laws? If you don't trust cops why would you want them to be the only one's with guns?

12/16/2018 4:59:10 AM

Dentaldamn
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90% of cops should not have guns. The gun situation could stay the same and I’d still want most cops to be unarmed. T

[Edited on December 16, 2018 at 6:25 AM. Reason : Derp]

12/16/2018 6:24:05 AM

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