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eleusis
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^^we shouldn't have laws confiscating firearms without due process. Maryland managed to execute the very first person they attempted this bullshit gun confiscation law on.

11/11/2018 8:26:33 AM

rwoody
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Dtr has a PhD in misunderstanding arguments

But still, on the right track, "don't have laws bc police might kill people" sounds like a police problem rather than a laws problem. That shooting also sounded more justified then most of the police shootings i read about these days. They were in a struggle with an armed man and the armed man's firearm discharged.

11/11/2018 9:13:15 AM

dtownral
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I understood his argument, it's the dumbest one so far

11/11/2018 10:33:42 AM

dtownral
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Or, to put it another way: happy to see eleusis has joined us in the abolish the police camp

11/11/2018 10:35:34 AM

eleusis
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It's an example of the practical application of what people in this thread are advocating for. You think the example is dumb because it shits all over what you are advocating for. You can claim it's a cherry picked example, but it's the first example of this type of law being executed and it ended in the manner specified by other sheriffs in the state as to why they were refusing to enforce the law.

Also, the guy had someone beating on his door at 5 in the morning, answered the door with a gun as I would expect many people would at that hour, and had cops tell him they were there to take his guns. The cops claim the gun went off in a struggle and then they shot him. I'd really like to see bodycam footage of what actually happened, because it sounds like bullshit.



[Edited on November 11, 2018 at 6:58 PM. Reason : The problem is politicians, not necessarily police. Other sheriffs are refusing to act on it.]

11/11/2018 6:56:11 PM

dtownral
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Maybe if no one had ever read any of your posts in any cop shooting thread they might take you seriously

11/11/2018 8:01:00 PM

rwoody
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Answering the door with a gun is weird, paranoid shit. But fine. However the dude put the gun down, and then got mad and picked it up again.

Also, when other people get shot/tasted/beat up the bs answer is always "why didnt they comply". I think it sucks the dude got shot and I'm all for adding regulations to force police to make more efforts to de-escalate in this and tons of other situations.

That said, it's a completely different discussion and really has no impact on the actual law. People get shot over petty bullshit traffic stops all the time, should we eliminate all traffic regulations?

11/11/2018 8:01:44 PM

eleusis
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Shooting someone during a traffic stop and shooting someone in their own home are orders of magnitude different.

There's also nothing paranoid about answering your door in the very early hours of the morning with a gun. Lots of home invasions start out that way. There is no good reason for someone to be outside my door beating on it between midnight and 6AM.

11/12/2018 8:21:00 AM

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Quote :
"Maybe if no one had ever read any of your posts in any cop shooting thread they might take you seriously"


+1

While it's nice to see him actually admit a cop might have fucked up, it's only due to his primal dude-with-a-gun urges. Tomorrow he'll be back to defending some idiot cop for shooting a dude holding a butter knife.

[Edited on November 12, 2018 at 9:31 AM. Reason : ^ you actually think the police didn't announce themselves, AND the dude didn't have a peephole or otherwise see a cop car in his driveway?

11/12/2018 9:29:43 AM

rwoody
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^^not "orders of magnitude different" to the person getting shot. Someone is either shot with or without justification, I'm not sure why the location matters.

11/12/2018 9:53:50 AM

nacstate
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"Shooting someone during a traffic stop in their own car and shooting someone in their own home are orders of magnitude different."


fify

[Edited on November 12, 2018 at 11:43 AM. Reason : .]

11/12/2018 11:42:50 AM

Dentaldamn
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https://wgntv.com/2018/11/11/multiple-wounded-in-robbins-bar-shooting-police-say/

This guy was suppose to have a gun.

11/12/2018 1:55:30 PM

dtownral
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wasn't in his house tho

11/12/2018 1:59:48 PM

moron
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^^ that's terrible

11/12/2018 2:53:13 PM

bdmazur
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Looks like the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good white guy with a gun?

11/12/2018 8:09:28 PM

beatsunc
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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/383968-in-the-wake-of-a-gun-ban-venezuela-sees-rising-homicide-rate

12/15/2018 7:25:18 AM

Pred73
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^Sad but predictable. Interesting how they have only confiscated a small fraction of the 6 million firearms. It's almost as if the cops there are not suicidal.

On another note, I have never understood the logic of being anti-cop and pro-gun control. Who do you presume will be enforcing these laws? If you don't trust cops why would you want them to be the only one's with guns?

12/16/2018 4:59:10 AM

Dentaldamn
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90% of cops should not have guns. The gun situation could stay the same and I’d still want most cops to be unarmed. T

[Edited on December 16, 2018 at 6:25 AM. Reason : Derp]

12/16/2018 6:24:05 AM

dtownral
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i was excited when pelosi introduced the bipartisan universal background check bill

feinstein just reintroduced her AWB though, will that tank any potential support for a universal background check bill if it made it to the senate?

1/10/2019 2:15:54 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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Doesn't she trot that thing out every year?

1/10/2019 2:45:09 PM

dtownral
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yes, that's why i said reintroduced, but normally we don't have a bipartisan universal background check bill in the house

1/10/2019 3:24:12 PM

Bullet
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https://www.npr.org/2019/01/10/684079625/opinion-relaxing-brazils-gun-laws-could-make-a-murderous-country-even-deadlier

1/11/2019 10:09:12 AM

moron
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https://www.wfsb.com/news/father-of-sandy-hook-shooting-victim-found-dead/article_893b237c-4f0c-11e9-9404-83204962313d.html

3 survivors related to sandy hook have committed suicide, I do wonder how much of this is a cluster effect since the media reported on the first suicide

3/25/2019 11:48:06 AM

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Media or no, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that survivors and relatives of these sorts of events have higher mortality. Suicide, substance abuse, PTSD, chronic depression, etc.

This man lost his daughter and then spent 6 years being told "Tough shit, have some thoughts-and-prayers™. NRA forever!" from one side and "It's all a lie! False flag! Crisis actor! Deep state!" from the other. That's crushing.

3/25/2019 12:06:31 PM

aaronburro
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It's just the JEW World Order cleaning up loose ends [/salisburyboy]

3/28/2019 12:20:58 AM

Bullet
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https://www.wral.com/house-expands-domestic-violence-gun-controls-in-rebuke-to-nra/18305448/

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"The House on Thursday rebuffed a furious lobbying campaign by the National Rifle Association and approved a revamped Violence Against Women Act that would expand law enforcement’s ability to restrict gun purchases by convicted domestic abusers.

The legislation passed easily, 263-158, but the divided vote came on what was once a broadly bipartisan measure first passed in 1994. In recent years, partisan rancor over efforts to expand the protections of the legislation have clouded efforts to renew it, and this year, the divide wase over gun control.

The provisions would close the so-called boyfriend loophole and bar those under a court restraining order or convicted of abusing, assaulting or stalking a domestic partner from purchasing guns. The NRA seized on the new measures and warned Congress they would track and publish how lawmakers voted, hoping to intimidate Republicans and Democrats in Republican-leaning districts.

“Do not let the NRA bully you,” Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich., urged her colleagues ahead of the vote, noting that her recently deceased husband, former Rep. John Dingell Jr., D-Mich., was a member of the organization."

4/5/2019 9:32:07 AM

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