12/1/2017 6:03:54 PM

I don't claim to know the future so I don't understand how I am supposed to know what will happen next or "in 20 minutes". This is all pretty unprecedented.

Quote :

" and then the second hit about him testifying against Trump comes out."

that they have to slow leak "hits" about manufactured crimes shows how little they actually have.

Quote :

"Mueller is playing these idiots like a fiddle. Stupid Watergate indeed."

Seems like a bunch of wishful thinking to me. I'll believe it when I see it and so far I don't believe they have anything on Trump and are desperately scrambling to find something by "investigating" everyone until someone lies, filing charges for lying, then moving on to the next person. Flynn's word isn't worth anything. Of course he says he is cooperating but what incentive is there to further cooperate after charges of lying have already been filed?

Seems like a shot in the dark.

12/1/2017 10:16:19 PM

You keep knocking on the devil's door long enough and sooner or later someone's gonna answer you

12/1/2017 10:19:16 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-latest/index.html

Quote :

"A source close to the White House described President Trump and his team as being in denial over the Russia investigation. They are "totally in a bubble," the source said. The White House, the source said, should be taking news about Michael Flynn much more seriously. "This is like a red alert," the source said. But the source said White House officials insist repeatedly that the President expects to be cleared by special counsel Robert Mueller's team. "They think he's going to be exonerated very soon," the source added."

He either is miraculously innocent or Russia has so much blackmail on him that he is sticking around to go down with the ship.

12/1/2017 10:51:01 PM

So does the correction to the story make it a non-story? The fact that Trump requested this contact as president-elect, rather than during the campaign? I mean that is a pretty standard thing for president-elects isn't it?

12/1/2017 11:06:02 PM

I don't believe so since his nominations have to be approved by the Senate and be sworn in. So even if he was nominated, he hadn't gone through that process yet.

You could argue it's a technicality but by the same token, the law exists for some important reasons and there was literally no reason to do any of this if you are a rational, incoming President.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/michael-flynns-russia-timeline/

I haven't had a chance to read this yet but it shows Flynn being sworn in on January 22.

[Edited on December 1, 2017 at 11:09 PM. Reason : a]

12/1/2017 11:07:48 PM

Quote :

"the source said"

lots of #sources

12/1/2017 11:33:29 PM

Quote :

"Seems like a bunch of wishful thinking to me. I'll believe it when I see it and so far I don't believe they have anything on Trump and are desperately scrambling to find something by "investigating" everyone until someone lies, filing charges for lying, then moving on to the next person. Flynn's word isn't worth anything. Of course he says he is cooperating but what incentive is there to further cooperate after charges of lying have already been filed? Seems like a shot in the dark."

You do know this is the least of the charges they can hang on him. Hes pleading guilty to the lesser crime.

You know, the whole conspiracy to kidnap etc.

12/2/2017 3:36:42 AM

earl'd

12/2/2017 8:54:50 AM

Quote :

"So does the correction to the story make it a non-story?"

a non-story??

12/2/2017 10:53:07 AM

The real story is the leaks.

[Edited on December 2, 2017 at 12:10 PM. Reason : Earl has a lot in common with the extreme far right on Trump. Uncanny.]

12/2/2017 12:09:52 PM

the president just admitted to obstruction of justice

12/2/2017 12:41:00 PM

^I just saw that hahahahaha

12/2/2017 2:18:29 PM

It makes sense that someone who suspends bias would have views in common with a lot of different groups on issues that typically divide people based on their in-group.

Its funny how you get criticized for taking the time to see everyone's perspective.

As a green...

I have a lot in common with liberals on bernie
I have a lot in common with anarchists on antifa
I have a lot in common with libertarians on johnson
I have a lot in common with dprk on un
I have a lot in common with russians on putin
I have a lot in common with egyptians on sisi
I have a lot in common with chinese on the party

You know why I have a lot in common with them? because we are all humans and I can empathize and connect on a human level. It doesn't mean I agree with them but you'd be surprised on how your understanding can change if you take a moment to listen without judgement.

[Edited on December 2, 2017 at 3:19 PM. Reason : lol]

12/2/2017 3:18:26 PM

the reason he has a lot in common with trump supporters is because they are all angry white dudes on the spectrum

12/2/2017 4:45:46 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/abc-news-reporter-brian-ross-suspended-serious-error-flynn-reporting-n825966

When the news seems too good to be fake

[Edited on December 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM. Reason : wheres el gimpy]

12/2/2017 7:38:05 PM

someone at ABC didn't lime what happened to their stock holdings after the Ross story.

12/3/2017 7:31:25 AM

or they put the options to sell their stocks before the story then bought them back. i always wondered why corporate media can get away with a legal form of insider trading

12/3/2017 12:59:04 PM

E man why do you keep asking about me when you post stories that back up my assertion that using yours and trumps definition of fake news is bad? Are you trying to make sure I see that I’m right?

12/3/2017 1:38:55 PM

ABC suspended the guy without pay, rightfully. Though questions should be asked about how it got through their vetting processes.

Accountability is something legit news outlets have. Seth Rich FNC story? Still zero accountability. If you want fake news it starts and ends over there.

12/3/2017 5:10:16 PM

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-house-republicans-prepare-contempt-064234043.html

We haven't talked much about this but what are the odds now that Nunes is somehow involved in this shit? Because every single action of his of which I'm aware has been to shut these investigations down.

12/3/2017 5:21:53 PM

^^whataboutery

12/4/2017 12:22:50 PM

that's actually not "whataboutism." ABC actually took action against their own for fucking up. What he's saying is that Fox News hasn't done that.

Whataboutism would be if ABC didn't do shit and when asked why they weren't, responded with "what about Fox, they haven't done anything!?"

12/4/2017 12:39:04 PM

^

12/4/2017 12:50:17 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/wh-lawyer-told-trump-flynn-misled-fbi-pence/index.html

I'd say obstruction charges are a near certainty now.

I'm also getting tired of seeing the word "misled." He lied. It's a lie. Call it what it is. Stop making it sound like it's nothing.

12/4/2017 2:18:54 PM

Quote :

"We haven't talked much about this but what are the odds now that Nunes is somehow involved in this shit? Because every single action of his of which I'm aware has been to shut these investigations down."

He is involved somehow. I cant remember what exactly it was or where I heard it, but he was connected to things before Trump took office.

12/4/2017 4:03:40 PM

I know he was at some sort of meeting or breakfast conference that could be construed as suspect but without anything else to go on I personally can't consider that as incriminating or suggestive.

12/4/2017 4:21:20 PM

https://twitter.com/axios/status/937819829620396032

KT breaking laws too about Russia..

12/4/2017 6:16:21 PM

Trumpism: If EVERYBODY breaks the law at once, then they can't possibly punish everyone at the same time!

12/4/2017 7:12:56 PM

^^largest group of liars i've ever seen

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/manafort-bail-russian-intelligence/index.html

Jesus. Manafort violated bail ALREADY by working with Russian Intelligence....

[Edited on December 4, 2017 at 7:23 PM. Reason : a]

12/4/2017 7:20:17 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-05/deutsche-bank-is-said-to-have-received-subpoena-on-client-trump

Deutsche Bank was subpoenaed a couple weeks ago. That can't be good for trump.

[Edited on December 5, 2017 at 8:27 AM. Reason : ^You never get to leave the Mob, even when on House arrest and are being watched by the cops]

12/5/2017 8:26:39 AM

I guess the countdown starts now for Trump firing Mueller.

12/5/2017 9:12:05 AM

Seems like it's coming to a head and could get real ugly, really quickly. They (Trump admin, right wing news, Russian bots) are all picking up this "FBI text message" fumble and running with it. Everyone should definitely digest some even-handed takes on the issue before it gets weaponized and the lie machine gets cranked up to 11.

12/5/2017 9:17:42 AM

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/04/jeff-sessions-president-obstruct-justice-bill-clinton-278517

Quote :

"Sessions argued in Clinton impeachment that presidents can obstruct justice Trump’s personal lawyer said the ‘president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer … and has every right to express his view of any case.’"

12/5/2017 11:17:50 AM

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/938079345909948418

Where we are headed. And they aren’t wrong..

12/5/2017 11:18:16 AM

Mueller Subpoenas Trump Deutsche Bank Records
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-05/deutsche-bank-is-said-to-have-received-subpoena-on-client-trump

trump will remove mueller and republicans will be okay with that

12/5/2017 11:36:30 AM

Of course they will be. WSJ is already providing cover too.

12/5/2017 11:59:39 AM

I mean, it's true, collusion is not a crime. Criminal conspiracy is though. So is accepting a bribe and money laundering. Accepting something of value from a foreign country as a candidate is definitely a crime. They can keep using the word "collusion" though if it helps them sleep at night.

12/5/2017 2:29:19 PM

FoxNews is hard a work trying to preemtively discredit Mueller's investigation:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/05/mueller-deputy-praised-doj-official-after-defied-trump-travel-ban-order-am-so-proud.html

[Edited on December 5, 2017 at 3:32 PM. Reason : Headline story]

12/5/2017 3:31:55 PM

^^I had that conversation with someone today.

12/5/2017 3:58:59 PM

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/us/politics/michael-flynn-russia-sanctions-ripped-up-whistleblower.html

This suggests to me that the dirt Flynn turned on must be real good... this seems pretty damning and he skated on it.

12/6/2017 1:11:29 PM

12/6/2017 1:17:36 PM

https://meduza.io/en/news/2017/12/11/jailed-russian-hacker-says-the-fsb-coordinated-his-cyber-attacks-on-hillary-clinton-and-the-dnc

12/12/2017 11:30:51 AM

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/12/12/new-information-about-russian-officials-orchestrating-the-dnc-hack-could-be-designed-to-pin-the-cyber-attack-on-the-u-s-government

Amazing

12/12/2017 11:25:48 PM

Boy does this hearing sound an awful lot like the GOP laying the groundwork for Trump to fire Mueller. Jim Jordan outright said they should and to start an investigation of the FBI.

We are going to a very bad place..

12/13/2017 11:49:36 AM

So is the impeachment coming or not?

Guise plz I hv a match 2nite.

12/13/2017 11:55:22 AM

^It's gonna take MASSIVE GOP losses in 2018 before serious impeachment/25th amendment discussions occur in congress. Even then it'll be a long shot. I'd say there is a better chance of Trump resigning immediately after indictments drop.

^^Im still surprised at how much of the GOP is inching in that direction. Sure, the slack-jawed contingent of the GOP is gonna be gung-ho on investigating/firing Mueller, but it seems like more moderate members are inching that direction too. Seems like a damn big gamble to keep a guy in office that doesn't seem to help much electorally and who would gladly stab you in the back as needed.

Just add it as another data point on why the GOP is irredeemable.

12/13/2017 12:26:24 PM

My guess is Mueller wraps up in Jan and instead of charging Trump, throws it to Congress to impeach. They'll delay as long as they can to get through mid-terms. They may or may not lose mid-terms but if they do, Dems will impeach immediately. Then Trump will either resign and Pence will pardon him because that's what our shitty politicians do for each other or he'll fight the impeachment and get enough stonewalling from Congress (I think they have to have 2/3rds to convict) to prevent impeachment from going through. Dems will continue trying and will lose the next election over it which sucks.

Unless Mueller can hit Trump with money laundering. Outside of obstruction, I think that's the thing that Mueller has a shot at pinning on him and if that's the case, my guess is Mueller flat out prosecutes and Congress is forced to impeach at the same time.

12/13/2017 1:27:42 PM

you can't charge a sitting president, he has to be impeached

12/13/2017 1:40:32 PM

Two things, correct me where you think I'm wrong:

You CAN charge a president for crimes that occurred before inauguration?

Mueller COULD (either openly or through leaks) release an indictment of Trump, putting the ball in Congress's court to impeach? I'd love to watch the GOP twist in the wind defending a massive lode of treason evidence.

12/13/2017 1:57:36 PM