Wow, brought me to tears.

WATCH.

https://www.hannity.com/content/2017-10-03-vicious-jimmy-kimmel-blames-gop-trump-for-vegas-massacre

But I guess he is making too much sense for the 56 murder-enablers in the GOP

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"“You know, in February [President Trump] also signed a bill that made it easier for people with severe mental illness to buy guns legally.”"

Someone explain this to me. How is this allowed?

10/3/2017 3:36:52 PM

^ Way too easy for medicated people and those with mental disorders to have access to guns due to confidentiality.

10/3/2017 3:51:25 PM

That's a really bad summary of the February bill

10/3/2017 4:35:34 PM

http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/las-vegas-gunman-filmed-himself-during-slaughter/

So he had a camera filming it and cameras set up so he could see when the police came to his room. Guess we can put the fucking second shooter/false flag conspiracy theories to rest now. AMIRITE?

10/3/2017 4:58:58 PM

new question is who was he recording for? and why did it take them so long to find this out/ release it

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 5:05 PM. Reason : my biggest problem is when they arent upfront with information and do slow drips]

10/3/2017 5:03:56 PM

^^^how is that a bad summary?

that's exactly what happened :-\

now anyone with a mental illness can easily get a gun without having their name added to a background check database...

where's your better summary?

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 5:10 PM. Reason : what people are actually posting on here?]

10/3/2017 5:10:15 PM

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"did the lighting make it easier for the shooter to see victims?"

It makes it easier for people to scramble away safely.

Or....the lighting crew and Jason Aldean was in on it...(see: Jason Aldean - Lights Come On)
#IlluminatiConfirmed

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 5:20 PM. Reason : ]

10/3/2017 5:19:09 PM

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"new question is who was he recording for? and why did it take them so long to find this out/ release it [Edited on October 3, 2017 at 5:05 PM. Reason : my biggest problem is when they arent upfront with information and do slow drips]"

Maybe he filmed it because he lost his shit and decided he wanted to film himself going for the new high score to be fucking famous? Why did Lester kill his coworkers live on the air while also filming it from his cellphone? Because he wanted everybody to know who did it even after he popped himself.

And boohoo the LVPD isn't keeping you immediately in the loop on the latest developments. I guess they have to run it by "Killary" first to make sure its the right message to take our guns? Bitch, they don't owe us shit right now.

10/3/2017 5:24:36 PM

The always reliable British press now reporting a possible note.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/649606/Las-Vegas-Shooting-Pictures-Stephen-Paddock-Body-Motive-Note-Gun-Hotel-Room-Mandalay-Bay

10/3/2017 5:52:19 PM

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"my biggest problem is when they arent upfront with information and do slow drips"

Yeah how dare the police actually investigate this shit before releasing information. Honestly all crimes should just be investigated by the internet, just have a drone fly in there and takes videos of the crime scene and let the internet solve all the mysteries.

10/3/2017 6:40:18 PM

Worked pretty well for Reddit and the Boston bomber

10/3/2017 7:29:55 PM

no, it didn't

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/reddit-find-boston-bombers-founder-interview/315987/

10/3/2017 7:36:07 PM

^ he was being sarcastic

10/3/2017 7:41:53 PM

^

10/3/2017 7:49:10 PM

No, he wasn't

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/us/tww-user-bbehe-not-sarcastic/index.html

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 7:51 PM. Reason : Wrong date ]

10/3/2017 7:50:41 PM

I doubt this guy bothered to leave a note with any substance to it. I'm not expecting a Unabomber style manifesto to pop up - probably just something dickish like "sorry about the mess" on the cleaning service notecard.

10/3/2017 7:50:49 PM

The fact that he recorded the event is interesting, at least in the sense that it sheds a bit more light on how him viewed himself in relation to the incident. Young people record themselves all the time doing pretty mundane shit, but I don't know a lot of 60+ people who record videos of anything other than special occasions.



[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 8:05 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2017 8:04:49 PM

Lets try this.

People who wouldn't pull the lever: How many people have to be on the track in front of the trolley for you to decide to pull the lever?

10/3/2017 8:08:54 PM

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"Yeah how dare the police actually investigate this shit before releasing information. Honestly, all crimes should just be investigated by the internet, just have a drone fly in there and takes videos of the crime scene and let the internet solve all the mysteries."

This makes perfect sense especially when there are suspects at large. I completely understand what you are saying

That is not what happened though. They already investigated and gave us a lot of details about the room. The investigation in the room finished long before the camera information came out. They told us how many guns he had and how they were set up so why was the info about the camera left out?

Its shady AF to release the details then come back 36 hours later and say "Oh and by the way, he also had cameras set up."

10/3/2017 8:15:54 PM

Someone draw in Earl for the trolley problem. I'll pull the lever ASAP.

10/3/2017 8:16:03 PM

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"Don't. Respond. To. The. Troll. "

10/3/2017 8:29:23 PM

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"Someone draw in Earl for the trolley problem. I'll pull the lever ASAP. "

ROFL

10/3/2017 8:35:42 PM

When you say everything is trolling, it kinda loses meaning.

10/3/2017 8:51:49 PM

well, based on your whining about the timing of info releases, either you're a troll or dumb. pick one.

10/4/2017 8:46:33 AM

why not both?

10/4/2017 8:52:30 AM

^^^ but... you're always trolling

[Edited on October 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2017 8:53:25 AM

Maybe its because since everyone expects info so quickly they know as soon as they say there were cameras in the room people are gonna start demanding they release any video recorded by those cameras. If I were the cops I would have done everything I could for that info not to get out for as long as possible as well.

10/4/2017 9:01:44 AM

it took the cops over an hour to storm the hotel room. that could have been a big mistake if he was making a big ass bomb in there. he had fertilizer in his car so the thought crossed his mind perhaps

10/4/2017 9:16:45 AM

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"he had fertilizer in his car so the thought crossed his mind perhaps"

source?

10/4/2017 10:07:43 AM

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"A search of Paddock’s car turned up a supply of ammonium nitrate, a fertilizer that can be formed into explosives"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lasvegas-shooting/las-vegas-massacre-probe-turns-to-gunmans-girlfriend-ahead-of-trump-visit-idUSKCN1C70FU

Better story here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/03/as-las-vegas-grieves-investigators-struggle-to-piece-together-the-motives-behind-shooting/?utm_term=.7dd1d36a0a24

[Edited on October 4, 2017 at 10:30 AM. Reason : ]

10/4/2017 10:14:01 AM

Trolling is done intentionally to piss people off but just because something pisses you off, doesn't mean it is trolling. Trolls don't do their homework and support things with facts and most of all, trolls don't end up being correct. When the same people stalk all of my posts and call them all trolling, then people who don't think critically or process things on their own will naturally join the mob of belief.

Look back at the times I was flamed the most for "trolling"

Wen I said....
-MARK GOTTFRIED IS A BAD COACH
-WE SHOULDN'T FIRE DOEREN IN YEAR 3
-BERNIE HAD A BETTER CHANCE OF BEATING TRUMP
-IRMA WASN'T GOING TO HIT MIAMI DIRECTLY

These were all wildly different views from the "experts" and herd at the time I made them but were all supported by some facts at the time and all eventually ended up coming true. The people who didn't retroactively apologize for calling me a troll after I ended up being right probably aren't ever going to come around and some of them actually double down get angry that I would "gloat" about being right. Some people never even bother with the facts and just knee jerk call me a troll as soon as they see my username.

"I have not seen these views before and they go against my own, so they must be trolling"

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" either you're a troll or dumb. pick one."

This person actually believes anyone who questions something the police are doing is either dumb or a troll but I don't have much trust for police. In the Michael Brown case for example, police selectively released information at times that influenced public opinion in their favor. Distrust of the police is a real thing. Its not just something I invented on the internet to try and piss you off.

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"Maybe its because since everyone expects info so quickly they know as soon as they say there were cameras in the room people are gonna start demanding they release any video recorded by those cameras. If I were the cops I would have done everything I could for that info not to get out for as long as possible as well."

In the UK, they come out and say "we aren't releasing any information right now because..." and I'd be fine with that. I'm just asking them for transparency from the police in all situations. People have a right to demand things be released and the police have a right to hold onto it but when they omit key items that were found on the scene without saying something like "we found some other things in the room that will are still investigating and wil disclose at a later time", it becomes a lie.

[Edited on October 4, 2017 at 11:16 AM. Reason : closed mind]

10/4/2017 11:14:44 AM

FAA lists one of Paddock's previous planes as a deregistered Cessna. Flightaware lists it as Cirrus SR20 currently owned by a defense contractor (after passing through some doctors - not implying Paddock may have been a spook).

https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N5343M

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=5343M

10/4/2017 11:16:23 AM

Current things I'm still questioning that differs from reports

1. Gunfire sounds like belt fed M60 Auto machine guns
2. Two shooters reported by police/people on the ground
3. Rate of fire way to fast and continuous for normal military type auto rifles with max/30 to 40 round mags
4. Sounds more like 2 to 3 hundred round belts with reload intervals heard and seen on video

10/4/2017 11:26:54 AM

1. Acoustics are hard to figure out because of the angle/distance, besides the fact that audio quality varies drastically from phone to phone, and vantage point.
2. People were reporting what they 'thought' was happening at the time. Confirmation bias during emergency situations is hard to shake.
3. My guess is that the weapons were well-modified since he was a gun nut and knew what he was doing
4. Given the limited info we have, trying to speculate on this without examining the evidence first-hand isn't all that productive.


This reminds me of all the stupid fucks during the CVille incident that were saying that the driver was "provoked" and someone hit his car and he was defending himself.

[Edited on October 4, 2017 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2017 11:35:57 AM

^i still want to know why the minivan plowed into crowd

10/4/2017 11:46:02 AM

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"Two shooters reported by police/people on the ground"

He had knocked out two windows in the same room that were fairly far apart and facing different directions, and was shooting from both windows, so couldn't that easily explain why people first thought there were two shooters?

[Edited on October 4, 2017 at 11:51 AM. Reason : ]

10/4/2017 11:48:03 AM

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"and was shooting from both windows at the same time"

damn son, he was violating the laws of the universe!!!

10/4/2017 11:52:04 AM

I'm sure there's people making YouTube videos with the gun shots shown on a graph vs miliseconds or something to see if more than one gun

10/4/2017 11:53:08 AM

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"Gunfire sounds like belt fed M60 Auto machine guns"

Are you questioning that because you can actually tell the difference between M60 fire and modded AR15 fire or is this just something you read that somewhere?

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"with max/30 to 40 round mags"

Did you not see the size of those fucking magazines?

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"Two shooters reported by police/people on the ground"

Incorrect reports of the number of shooters is incredibly with these events

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"Sounds more like 2 to 3 hundred round belts with reload intervals heard and seen on video"

Did you slow down the video and count them?

10/4/2017 11:55:00 AM

you're not necessarily hearing the gunshot in those videos; in many of them it is the supersonic cracking of the bullet as it passes nearby. the distance that sound has to travel between the bullet and the camera is what causes the cyclic rate seem to slow down and speed up at times. It's what made me think he was either using a gatling crank or a belt fed gun at first, but a 2° sweep of the gun away from the camera would cause the sound of the supersonic bullet take a tenth of a second longer to get to the microphone.

Someone on another message board broke down the sound signature to determine the cyclic rate was around 650rpm.

Another thought I had was if the guy busted out two windows so that he could shoot from two different angles, or did he plan this out enough to realize he needed the ventilation to clear the smoke out of the room? If so, that makes me think he had been planning this for a very long time. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the girlfriend about him - if he had a beef with Mandalay Bay and wanted to inflict serious financial pain on them or was just batshit insane? I've also wondered if the compulsive gambler in him played into this somehow, and this was just a big adrenaline rush for him that gambling thousands of dollars a day no longer satisfied.

It will also be interesting to see what comes out about where all the money came from. Former drug smuggler possibly, with the planes and the history of $10,000+ transactions at casinos? Just some stupid boomer that blew through his entire retirement nest egg? I guess we'll find out eventually.

[Edited on October 4, 2017 at 12:06 PM. Reason : another board posted analysis of one burst - 90 distinct spikes. matched the mags]

10/4/2017 12:04:06 PM

the windows are at different angles, i assume that's why he broke 2

10/4/2017 12:13:03 PM

I may be looking at it wrong, but the window closer to the center of the building didn't appear to face the venue.

10/4/2017 12:20:03 PM

one is perpendicular to the venue, the other is at an angle facing the venue. i guess it depends on what the room looks like inside, but it seems like either would give line of sight onto the venue

10/4/2017 12:47:45 PM

Who's leaking the pictures. jesus

10/4/2017 1:03:39 PM

yeah, I was amazed that someone leaked a picture of the shooter's face after he shot himself.

10/4/2017 1:09:41 PM

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"If so, that makes me think he had been planning this for a very long time"

He obviously planned this for a long time. He allegedly targeted the Life is Beautiful festival but had to cancel that when he couldn't get a good enough room. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/police-probe-whether-vegas-shooter-eyed-space-near-earlier-festival-n807236

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"if he had a beef with Mandalay Bay and wanted to inflict serious financial pain on them"

Errr that's not really who he inflicted pain on. Hotel was not his target.

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" batshit insane"

Yes. fwiw - http://abcnews.go.com/US/portrait-emerging-las-vegas-shooter-man-descending-madness/story?id=50275427

[Edited on October 4, 2017 at 1:24 PM. Reason : ]

10/4/2017 1:23:34 PM

as morbid as it is, I want to see the video he recorded.

10/4/2017 1:54:48 PM

^ agreed. I want to see some still surveillance images too (not @ crime scene but in the hotel.) If they can leak crime scene photos it wouldn't be that crazy to get some images from the days leading up to this.

[Edited on October 4, 2017 at 1:58 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2017 1:56:51 PM

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"Errr that's not really who he inflicted pain on. Hotel was not his target"

The hotel will likely lose tens of millions of dollars over the next few years. Who's going to want to stay in the hotel where this happened unless they're either morbid individuals or the price of the rooms are dirt cheap? It may not have been his plan necessarily, but it might well have. Again, everything in this thread is just speculation until evidence points otherwise.

10/4/2017 2:00:18 PM

also because of the leaks everyone can see how dated and ugly their hotel rooms are

10/4/2017 2:10:29 PM