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10/4/2017 2:14:51 PM

did the casino/hotel shoot all those people?

10/4/2017 2:15:42 PM

I don't think anyone would give a shit. I mean, I wouldn't want to stay in the exact room, but other than that, I don't see them losing any business.

10/4/2017 2:19:48 PM

You'll get some hard dick followers that will want to jack off in that room or give birth in the bathtub or some shit. they'll make it a tourist attraction.

10/4/2017 2:26:13 PM

that room's not going to be a room anymore

10/4/2017 2:42:41 PM

will it be a jack off/underwater birthing area?

10/4/2017 2:44:09 PM

I'd imagine they turn it into some sort of memorial room or something although this is Vegas and a business so they may just jack up the rate so only people who want to stay there specifically will stay there

10/4/2017 2:58:35 PM

[Edited on October 4, 2017 at 3:23 PM. Reason : https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/las-vegas-shooting.html]

10/4/2017 3:00:38 PM

did all of the 59 die from GSWs?

10/4/2017 7:39:41 PM

Pretty doubtful, but I haven't seen any reporting on that topic yet

10/4/2017 9:44:43 PM

Ok so let's take the evidence given into play

Shooter had 12 guns with bump stocks and that's how the shooter sounded automatic

Bump stocks operate basically as an auto weapon in that every trigger pull is a round and every release is a round

So this guy perfectly clicked and released 12 weapons at exact back and forth intervals for over an hour using magazines that max out at 100 rounds? Your finger would wear down and the sounds would be off beat at some point. Try pulling just your finger back and forth on a weapon for that amount of time. I don't know about any conspiracies but that information tells me one of two things. That there was more than one shooter, or that we are being lied to about the type of weapon(s) used.







[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 1:34 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2017 1:24:10 AM

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" for over an hour"

?

don't all accounts of surveillance say the shooting lasted for 8-10 minutes or so?

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 1:36 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2017 1:35:54 AM

^^One hour??? Where are you hearing that? More like twelve minutes:

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"The first shots were fired at 10:05 p.m., according to closed-circuit television from the concert venue. The shooting continued for 10 minutes, until 10:15 p.m. Fifty-eight people were killed in the shooting, and 489 injured, Lombardo said. Lombardo said he doesn't know why Paddock stopped firing, but he "could've kept continued firing, some were jammed but he could've continued." The first officers arrived on the 31st floor -- one floor below where Paddock was firing -- at 10:12 p.m. Officers arrived at the 32nd floor at 10:17 p.m. Lombardo said it was "phenomenal" they reached the 32nd floor within 12 minutes of when shots rang out."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-stephen-paddock-mandalay-bay/

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 1:39 AM. Reason : ^]

10/5/2017 1:38:52 AM

Sorry I was wrong about that. It lasted 15-20 minutes. But officers were counting 90 shots/10 seconds. I don't think that's possible w/ a bump stock man. I mean it may be for a minute or two. But even for that long of a time with that many rounds it doesn't seem plausible

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 1:42 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2017 1:40:01 AM

officers are pretty honest

10/5/2017 1:44:05 AM

Lol. Well played

10/5/2017 1:46:39 AM

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"that's how the shooter sounded automatic"

No, it didn't "sound" automatic. It was automatic.

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"It lasted 15-20 minutes."

No, it didn't.

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"So this guy perfectly clicked and released 12 weapons at exact back and forth intervals for over an hour using magazines that max out at 100 rounds?"

What world are you living in? Every time you post stupid shit like this, we all call you on it, and you ignore the responses, and then post more stupid shit. Where are you reading this dumb shit, because you obviously aren't coming up with it on your own. The fact that you thought the shooting took place over an hour represents a wild disconnect from reality.

What happened to your 30-40 round max magazines? Your stories are all over the place.

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"Try pulling just your finger back and forth on a weapon for that amount of time."

Ok wait maybe you're trolling. Did I just get Earl'd? That's not how it works.

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"But officers were counting 90 shots/10 seconds. I don't think that's possible w/ a bump stock man."

That fire rate is clearly possible with a bump stock and yuge magazines.

10/5/2017 1:51:52 AM

Also the fact that you can clearly see large magazines and bump stocks in the photos

10/5/2017 5:42:15 AM

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" CLICKED AND RELEASED "

10/5/2017 7:39:21 AM

You can dump a 100 round mag in under 10 seconds with a bump stock. Plenty of YouTube videos of this.

And you're not really moving your trigger finger with a bump stock. The whole gun and trigger move in relation to the trigger finger, but your finger just kinda stays put.

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 7:53 AM. Reason : Dh]

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 7:54 AM. Reason : Dh]

10/5/2017 7:51:56 AM

kinda the entire point of how the bump stock works

but JayMCnasty thinks this is a false flag

10/5/2017 9:11:32 AM

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" The fact that you thought the shooting took place over an hour represents a wild disconnect from reality. "

it was over an hour before cops blew door open so we lucky shooting was only ~11 mins

10/5/2017 9:13:52 AM

I watched the shooting videos myself. Definitely was 60-70 rounds at a time. Could have been a bump stock. It was hard watching the shit on YouTube but had to for research purposes. Definitely sounded like the shooter was switching from pre loaded gun to pre loaded gun. It was like 10 minutes of shooting. Really hard to watch.

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 9:15 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2017 9:14:47 AM

i have no idea if he was switching guns or magazines or why it matters, but why do you think that from the video? how long do you think it takes to change magazines?

10/5/2017 9:27:40 AM

because it was reported that he used multiple guns.

10/5/2017 9:29:28 AM

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"it was over an hour before cops blew door open"

Huh?

10/5/2017 10:00:19 AM

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"Shooter had 12 guns with bump stocks and that's how the shooter sounded automatic"

I don't think all of the guns had bump stocks on them; there are pictures of AR15s on bipods in the room that look heavily fired with no bump stocks on them, but I've yet to see a video where it sounds like the firing is semi-auto. I think there were a couple of guns that had lightning links or auto-sears in them, based on the reports that he had guns on bipods and tripods at the window. The pictures of guns with bump stocks on them did not have bipods or tripods on them.

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 10:05 AM. Reason : ^it took SWAT 72 minutes from the start of shooting until they raided the suite.]

10/5/2017 10:04:07 AM

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"It was hard watching the shit on YouTube but had to for research purposes."

Ha ha! Such sacrifice!

10/5/2017 10:14:43 AM

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"I don't think all of the guns had bump stocks on them"

not all, 12. There were more than 12 guns found in the room.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/3/stephen-paddock-had-12-guns-bump-stocks-faster-fir/

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 10:16 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2017 10:15:11 AM

Just saw a video on fb where these guys tested bump stock/vs belt fed. Compared it with rate of fire on the vegas videos and it def sounds closer to belt fed imo


https://www.facebook.com/justin.wilkinson97/posts/1758568884156008

10/5/2017 10:49:58 AM

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"it took SWAT 72 minutes from the start of shooting until they raided the suite"

Source?

^ Come on dude. How long are you going to do this? Your stupid facebook video shows 30 round magazines. The shooter obviously had much larger mags than that, and probably had drums. You keep saying things sound like something but you obviously have no idea what anything sounds like in this arena.

10/5/2017 10:53:51 AM

Suspected white shooter = don't trust the police

Black man with a carry permit being gunned down while in his car = Fear for their lives! Blue lives matter!

k.

10/5/2017 11:15:36 AM

yup

10/5/2017 11:31:05 AM

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""it took SWAT 72 minutes from the start of shooting until they raided the suite""

yes, the unarmed security guard figured out which room it was when he got shot through the door in the leg. he told the cops and they just decided to wait it out because the shooting had stopped

10/5/2017 11:38:45 AM

they claimed that once he was located, they wanted to evacuate guests before going in. He had stopped shooting outside, so they apparently thought clearing the hotel before potentially starting a shootout in the hotel was pertinent. He apparently sprayed the security guard with about 200 bullets, so it was probably the right call for SWAT to be cautious about running in guns blazing.

10/5/2017 11:55:14 AM

Wow so what happened in the hour between when the shooting stopped and the police breached?

So it didn't "take" them 72 minutes to breach. They were outside his door in like 12ish minutes which evidently caused him to stop shooting. Then they waited him out for the hour because he stopped shooting. I suspect he probably killed himself as they approached his door. Surprised he didn't shoot at them too.

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 12:01 PM. Reason : ]

10/5/2017 11:57:19 AM

^he was becoming room temp

i think the security guard was ~12 mins, not sure about cops

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 12:01 PM. Reason : g]

10/5/2017 11:59:45 AM

10:05 p.m.: First shots fired by the suspect. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the concert venue.

10:12 p.m.: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce the gunfire is coming from directly above them.

10:15 p.m.: The last shots are fired from the suspect per body-worn cameras.

10:17 p.m.: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.

10:18 p.m.: Security officer tells LVMPD officers he was shot and gives exact location of the suspect's room.

10:26-10:30 p.m.: Eight additional officers arrive on the 32nd floor and begin to move systematically down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people. They move this way because they no longer hear the gunfire of an active shooter.

10:55 p.m.: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to the suspect's room.

11:20 p.m.: The first breach is set off and officers enter the room. They observe the suspect down on the ground and also see a second door that could not be accessed from their position.

11:27 p.m.: The second breach is set off, allowing officers to access the second room. Officers quickly realize there is no one else in the rooms and announce over the radio that the suspect is down.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-why-did-it-take-police-so-long-to-1507174474-htmlstory.html

according to that timeline they knew the location of the shooters room in 16 minutes after the shooting but didn't go directly there because the shooting stopped and wanted to clear nearby rooms. No idea if they guy has a bomb etc

so maybe he killed himself after shooting at the security guard knowing the cops were probably behind him?

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 12:10 PM. Reason : V can't even imagine. do the deadbolt thing, go into the bathroom, lock that, hunker down in the tub]

10/5/2017 12:05:30 PM

Wonder how many of the nearby rooms were occupied? On one hand, if you are in a room and hear automatic gunfire that close, you might gtfo. On the other hand, you might hunker down, thinking leaving would be dangerous.

10/5/2017 12:08:23 PM

I found this interesting

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/04/us/paddock-profile-house-cash-fence-invs/index.html

10/5/2017 12:10:32 PM

sheriff last night said at the 8:45ish press conf (5:45 their time) that he fired approx. 200 rounds into the hallway

follow up question was if anyone returned fire and he answered "no"

10/5/2017 12:11:20 PM

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"sheriff last night said at the 8:45ish press conf (5:45 their time) that he fired approx. 200 rounds into the hallway"

at the security guard it seems

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 12:27 PM. Reason : VV naw that was still good info]

10/5/2017 12:12:11 PM

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"wow so maybe he killed himself after shooting at the security guard knowing the cops were probably behind him? "

they said he had a camera set up outside the door so he could see the cops coming, so yeah, he probably offed himself when he saw the first ones approach.

10/5/2017 12:12:20 PM

yeah my bad, didn't see eleusis's post until after I posted. busted ass internet.....

10/5/2017 12:24:00 PM

would like to see if cctv footage corroborates that timeline.

10/5/2017 12:29:16 PM

hard to figure out what a crazy person was thinking, but i can't believe this guy didn't want to engage the police...or maybe he thought he was with the security guard? hard to say how effective his camera setup was at this point.

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 12:30 PM. Reason : ^ i'd imagine you can figure out the shooting timelines from available videos at least]

10/5/2017 12:30:06 PM

I'm sure it does. If he fired 200 rounds in the hallway wouldn't people have witnessed it? Bullets would have to tear into someone's room. I imagine he was up there by himself by this point, but there hasn't been any dialogue about other guests staying near him. Were they evacuated? I know the people videotaping from a few floors up weren't.

10/5/2017 12:34:48 PM

I saw some fake news shit post last night that said the MSM was trying to suppress a report that someone staying in the room next to him could provide more information on the shooter.

but they reported he heard gun fire, exited the hotel and hid in the bushes waiting for the cops.

which makes zero sense to me, but I've never been in an active shooter environment.

[Edited on October 5, 2017 at 12:41 PM. Reason : y]

10/5/2017 12:39:02 PM

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"Bullets would have to tear into someone's room."

Not necessarily. Especially with suites/larger rooms, there isn't always a room across the hall, and odds are probably low people would have been in it even if so.

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"Eight additional officers arrive on the 32nd floor and begin to move systematically down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people. "

Sounds like just the floor was cleared

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"I imagine he was up there by himself by this point"

That's what we were talking about above. Would you have fled or stay put?

10/5/2017 12:39:06 PM

My guess is that most of those rooms were empty. Who is in their room in Vegas at 10pm?

10/5/2017 12:40:00 PM