look at it another way: why is the gun industry special that it should have protections that no other industries have?

10/9/2017 7:25:39 AM

Are we still seriously having a discussion about bump stocks and whether they should be legal?

People will always find ways around laws, sure, and with 3D printing, I assume it would be pretty easy to make your own bump stock. But this one seems like a no-brainer. What other uses do they have other than to rapid fire?

I know someone with a binary trigger. Those are crazy to me as well, and I'm really not sure how those are legal. And I think the term is binary, but I'm not 100% sure. It's the mechanism where it fires on the pull and the release.

10/9/2017 8:36:26 AM

those are some inventive rednecks

10/9/2017 8:47:59 AM

The officer who found the note implied he knew what the numbers meant right away on 60 minutes last night. Yet another detail that was omitted for about a week before being suddenly released. The selective slow drip of key details is very suspicious. All I'm saying is they should be more transparent.

10/9/2017 9:34:28 AM

yes, i don't understand why i'm not personally emailed investigation updates every hours that include any evidence even evidence that might be sensitive for an open investigation.

i mean, obviously something is up, i've even provided my fax number but have received nothing.

10/9/2017 9:37:05 AM

That is cute but I'm not talking about the frequency of the updates. I'm talking about a lie of omission. They released details about the room, knew about the note, and omitted the note. At this rate, they could come out 3 weeks from now and say they found a 2nd shooter that night and you wouldn't have a problem with it.

[Edited on October 9, 2017 at 9:45 AM. Reason : tell us the truth]

10/9/2017 9:44:35 AM

I don't think the firearms industry should have special protections, but I also don't think that activist judges should allow frivolous lawsuits.

10/9/2017 10:01:00 AM

May have a motive

Quote :

"SAN DIEGO -- A San Diego taco shop owner and his wife were staying in a hotel room right below the Las Vegas suite where gunman Stephen Paddock fired shots at a country music festival Sunday night, according to KSWB. It was only after the deadly shooting that Albert Garzon and his wife Jessica discovered they had not only been staying in the Mandalay Bay hotel room directly below the shooter but that they’d annoyed him just hours before the concert. "Just got back to our room and look at that, that’s the room that he was shooting out of, that’s the curtain that’s coming out of the guy’s room. He was right above us, shooting down on the concert," said Albert, showing cell phone video he recorded after guests were allowed to return to the hotel. He says it was then that he realized it was the shooter who had complained to hotel security about noise coming from his room just hours before the concert. "We’re all playing the music and then security came up to our room and said, 'hey, you have a guest right above you that’s complaining that you’re being too loud.' And out of respect, I didn’t think twice about it. I just said, 'yeah no problem, we’ll turn the music down.' And then probably another half an hour later, another group of security guys came up and said, 'hey bud, this is your second time, you have a guest above you who’s complaining again, so we got to ask you to turn it down. The third time we come, then your guests are going to have to leave. Obviously, you and your wife can stay.' None of us would have ever thought that there was that guy directly right above us," said Albert. Following that encounter, the group headed down to the concert. Once there, the taco shop owner had what he describes as a bad feeling and left the music festival, leaving his wife and friends. He was making his way to the 31st floor when the shots rang out from the 32nd floor"

http://myfox8.com/2017/10/09/couple-says-gunman-complained-about-their-music-hours-before-las-vegas-shooting/

[Edited on October 9, 2017 at 10:16 AM. Reason : .]

10/9/2017 10:15:41 AM

Fox News: BREAKING - Hispanic Man Root Cause of Las Vegas Mass Shooting

10/9/2017 10:22:29 AM

since he had been scoping out other venues, makes you wonder if he just rolled around with a shitload of guns just waiting for a reason to use them.

10/9/2017 10:31:04 AM

Sounds like a made up story.


Not motive

10/9/2017 10:32:59 AM

Yeah, that's a dumb theory

10/9/2017 10:39:55 AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/06/las-vegas-gunman-earned-millions-as-a-gambler-nbc.html

Paddock supposedly hopped around from Nevada to Texas to Florida continuously, seemed to exclusively play video poker (glorifed slot machines), and filed tax returns claiming he earned $5 million in 2015 from gambling? I'd like to know what or who he was laundering money for.

[Edited on October 9, 2017 at 2:24 PM. Reason : link]

10/9/2017 2:23:45 PM

that's from a single sentence from a NBC news story, as far as i know no news media has seen any IRS records. He was also in real estate, his income could be from real estate.

10/9/2017 2:36:09 PM

Video Poker is a beatable game.

10/9/2017 2:40:42 PM

Video Poker is a beatable game.

10/9/2017 2:44:48 PM

Yes, but video poker takes out the human uncertainty of the other players. It's probably the most beatable/safest play in a casino if you know what you're doing.

10/9/2017 2:50:58 PM

Not sure if I posted the article, but he focused on certain machines and played them for long periods of time. Seems like he had a (successful) system going.

10/9/2017 3:18:00 PM

Paddock was funneling money from Soros to BLM and antifa 'protesters'.

10/9/2017 3:25:06 PM

That’s more reasonable than most of the nonsense ITT.

10/9/2017 3:50:35 PM

has CNN provided a readable copy of the 97 page deposition of Paddock from 2013 yet, or are they just dribbling out snippets of the document?

[Edited on October 9, 2017 at 5:17 PM. Reason : rumor is that he liked reading Infowars and Zoklet]

10/9/2017 5:11:34 PM

A crazy person liked reading infowars? Unlikely!

10/9/2017 5:52:30 PM

Tune in to the next wpisode where they will release another key piece of evidence!

10/9/2017 6:23:16 PM

I don’t think they have much evidence

10/9/2017 6:26:48 PM

List of lies (so far)
1. Security guard was shot before the shooting
2. Note in hotel room had bullet drop calculations

You can't just change your story a week later.

10/9/2017 7:01:55 PM

So what if they did lie/omit/change their story. What’s their end game? You really think there’s some conspiracy?

10/9/2017 7:31:39 PM

Dude. It's Earl.

10/9/2017 7:51:39 PM

Quote :

"So what if they did lie/omit/change their story"

Is this how you usually deal with someone lying to you? Dismiss it unless you know of a specific motive?

Quote :

"What’s their end game? You really think there’s some conspiracy? So what? "

I have no idea whats going on thats the point. We can't trust the only source of information. Keep in mind, the eyewitnesses had different accounts of what happened.

Usually, police lie to cover their own asses if an officer made a mistake or fucked up some kind of way but thats just speculation without the information they are still hiding.

[Edited on October 9, 2017 at 8:43 PM. Reason : dude just said "so what if the police are lying"] ]

10/9/2017 8:42:12 PM

I don’t think they’re lying, you do.

10/9/2017 9:03:06 PM

what is your explanation for the 2 aspects of the story changing?

10/9/2017 10:03:13 PM

i attribute it to mistakes made when either gathering, analyzing, or disseminating information through imprecise channels as quickly as possible

which is ok with me because 100% accuracy is not a reasonable goal

[Edited on October 9, 2017 at 10:45 PM. Reason : r]

10/9/2017 10:43:17 PM

> gets mad that information isn't immediately shared
> gets mad that information that was shared early was wrong
> decides it's all a conspiracy

10/10/2017 7:34:41 AM

doesn't see any real proof
believes narrative
turns nose up at any evidence that could suggest otherwise

10/10/2017 9:00:58 AM

The only stories I believe about the incident are on those websites that you've never heard of until one of your dumb FB friends shares the link and it pops up on your timeline

10/10/2017 9:34:55 AM

I have quit reading everything. Just wondering why it's so hard to get some damn camera footage released of him walking around the hotel beforehand.

10/10/2017 9:39:06 AM

I saw on CNN the video of him "slipping and falling" at a casino, i guess he sued and that's where the new transcript came from? Here's the video:

10/10/2017 10:15:00 AM

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but we are certainly not being given all the pertinent facts. There is much more to this than some 64 year old rich dude finally snapped and nobody knew anything. It just doesn't happen. If he was 24 years old, I'd buy it that he did it and probably had mental issues, but the profile doesn't fit at all in this case. No verified ideological affiliations, no religious affiliation, and certainly seemed to be living an enjoyable life based on the description thus far. I don't know if there's some grand conspiracy here, but no way in hell I believe the dude just snapped. He didn't even have a criminal record.

10/10/2017 10:24:28 AM

why would anyone expect to be given all of the facts so early in an investigation?

10/10/2017 10:27:57 AM

The fact he shot the security guard 6 minutes before he began shooting certainly throws things out of whack. It explains why the police were able to locate the guy as quickly as they did I suppose. From what I read the alarm he was investigating was in another room though so doesn't explain why he shot the security guard from inside his room? Also if he was willing to do that doesn't exactly explain why he shot himself rather than just having it out with police at the end.

This was clearly something planned out in advance so not just some rage shooting because the guy decided to rage for some reason. To plan something like this out in advance to kill innocent people there has to be some motivation for that. Just a strange story all around.

10/10/2017 10:31:40 AM

Based on what little I listened to from the new transcript that was released, from his own words, he sounds like an egotistical jerk... possibly a sociopath. He talked about how he was "The best video poke player in the world". When asked how he came to that conclusion, he said something like "I play 14 hours a day, 365 days a year...." He was also mad that casinos stopped giving high-rollers lots of freebies. (not that any of that begins to explain his actions)

10/10/2017 10:50:02 AM

Sociopaths do things that don’t make sense. Who knew!

10/10/2017 10:57:17 AM

^^^ I would tend to agree more if the shooter was still at large, but maybe they are withholding info because they haven't been able to determine if others were involved in the plot. I think that's definitely possible. The way it comes across is that they believe he acted alone and with no apparent motive. Which begs the question, what did you see in the surveillance tapes? Why has nobody at least mentioned what's on the tapes? If you've got your guy and he's dead, just tell us what was on the tapes.

^but a sociopath that commits mass murder with no violent past? Just doesn't seem like his MO.

It also kinda seems like investigators are letting public interest die down. Eventually we'll have a hurricane or some other disaster and people will lose interest in this story. Then the only people who are still asking questions will be "crazy conspiracy theorists" on message boards. I think we likely know all we are going to know.

[Edited on October 10, 2017 at 10:58 AM. Reason : a]

[Edited on October 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM. Reason : a]

10/10/2017 10:57:38 AM

it's pretty common for these guys to not have a violent past

10/10/2017 10:59:49 AM

^sociopaths or psychopaths?

when you say these guys, who else would you put in this category?

10/10/2017 11:02:39 AM

mass shooters

often there is a history of domestic violence or red flags (there is also in this case if reporting is correct), but no other violent history.

10/10/2017 11:15:29 AM

Yeh but how many of those times do we have 64 years worth of history? It's typically somebody fresh out of their teens.

All I'm saying is that there's a science in criminal profiling that works to catch bad guys, and this one flies in the face of all of it.

[Edited on October 10, 2017 at 11:28 AM. Reason : a]

10/10/2017 11:26:38 AM

Wasn't this dude's dad a nutjob who was on the FBI's most wanted list?

10/10/2017 11:30:10 AM

I do believe the investigators know more of what is going on then what has been released so far. My guess is he had help but not at hotel and they don't want to tip their hand.

10/10/2017 11:32:59 AM

^^no, his dad was

10/10/2017 11:34:10 AM

So his grandfather was a nut job on the FBI most wanted list?

10/10/2017 11:40:44 AM