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rjrumfel
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This guy appears to be a despicable human, but what is almost worse to me is what seems to be the legion of enablers and people willing to cover for him. Even A-listers like Matt Damon had stood their ground for him, at least up until yesterday.

So I'm curious, for all of the assistants and executives that he worked with that knew of his behavior but didn't report it, could they be held criminally liable for their behavior? I'm sure they'll claim that they were afraid of workplace retaliation, but still, potentially hundreds of women over the years have been harassed, and it could have been stopped.

10/11/2017 10:22:42 AM

NCSUGimp
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yeah but he's jewish so it's all Hitler's fault you insensitive prick.

10/11/2017 10:41:22 AM

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Honestly, I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. From what I've heard, the entire entertainment industry operates this way. Female singers can't really get their foot in the door unless they suck dick to work their way up the ladder. Auditions for plays and movies go no where unless actresses are willing to give some Tang to producers. The whole industry is filthy, and everyone knows it.

10/11/2017 10:51:08 AM

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What a monster

10/11/2017 11:02:07 AM

rjrumfel
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I wonder how much his brother ^ really knew?

10/11/2017 11:20:40 AM

thegoodlife3
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Jeff Garlin’s brother?

10/11/2017 12:17:08 PM

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^^^^

I think you're right.

Hollywood sex abuse is rampant, say child stars
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/851171/hollywood-sex-abuse-is-rampant-say-child-stars

The Pedophile Director Embraced by Hollywood
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-pedophile-director-embraced-by-hollywood

Terry Crews Shares His Own Story of Sexual Assault by a Hollywood Executive
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/terry-crews-shares-his-own-story-of-sexual-assault-by-a-hollywood-executive/ar-AAtgWLr

I'm sure 30 minutes of surfing would probably net another few dozen examples.

[Edited on October 11, 2017 at 12:19 PM. Reason : .]

10/11/2017 12:18:58 PM

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EMCE hit it on the head. Its well known its just that society has decided to change its values faster than hollywood. 15 years ago, people didn't really care so much about this sort of thing.

The children are always victims and I'm not one to blame women but the system was definitely perpetuated by women who voluntarily did this type of thing for personal gain. As you hear in the tape, and Trump's video, these men like Harvey were so used to women letting them do whatever they wanted, that they thought it was normal.

[Edited on October 11, 2017 at 12:38 PM. Reason : and women enable these guys because they assume all women know what they are getting into]

10/11/2017 12:35:15 PM

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^ you need to keep my name out ya mouf. To be perfectly clear, I don't cosign some of that digital diarrhea you are spewing. I in no way implied that women brought this on themselves.

10/11/2017 12:42:21 PM

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I in no way implied that either because "women" aren't one thing the way you are talking about them.

I'm saying that the women who let these guys do whatever they want helped create the culture and those are the same women who enabled, protected, and vouched for these guys for years. The same women who blame victims.

10/11/2017 12:44:42 PM

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Women had a clear choice in all of this - play, and have jobs, or report, and be blacklisted from a big part of Hollywood.

It isn't up to us to argue which choice is the easiest or the right one to make in their situation. It's awful that they were put in that situation to start with.

[Edited on October 11, 2017 at 12:49 PM. Reason : ddd]

10/11/2017 12:46:51 PM

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be sure to tell those tales of rape culture to your daughter at night when you read her bedtime stories.

10/11/2017 12:51:23 PM

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Terry Crews admitted he was a victim of sexual harassment in Hollywood in the last year or so.

If that shit can happen to him, it sure af can happen to kids or young adults.

10/11/2017 12:52:44 PM

NCSUGimp
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yes. the women are to blame here.

10/11/2017 12:52:47 PM

rjrumfel
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My hopes are that she ops for a boring 9-5 desk job that pays well. God forbid she want to head to Hollywood, or get in the entertainment industry.

I was just trying to illustrate how women were stuck. I'm sure people are going to come out of the woodwork stating "Why didn't they just go to the police, bla bla bla."

10/11/2017 12:54:20 PM

thegoodlife3
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never been cases of sexual harassment at boring 9-5 jobs

you should hope that she does whatever makes her happiest

10/11/2017 12:57:43 PM

tulsigabbard
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What about a woman who goes into the interview saying "I'm gonna suck the boss dick to get this job"

10/11/2017 1:02:13 PM

rjrumfel
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^^I hope Hollywood doesn't make her happy then.

But your first statement is silly, she'd be far more likely to get assaulted in the entertainment industry than an engineering or IT job. Or basically just about any other job out there.

10/11/2017 1:04:31 PM

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I think our broke ass legal system is probably one of the most significant factors.

-the conviction rate, for just about any crime, is exceedingly low for the rich and powerful. It's amazing what an army of $700/hr lawyers can convince 12 dolts on a jury of. Women know this, and they know what an uphill battle even a slam dunk case would be. Not to mention the possibility of reprisal civil suites, defamation suits etc.

-DAs, detectives, and judges, on average, give the rich and powerful obscene amounts of deference. Just look at all these affluenza cases.

-everyone knows that even a shitty defense team is going to attempt to destroy your reputation, career, life if you testify as a witness.




If I'm working in the legal/police profession in any of the jurisdictions where Weinstein committed crimes, ya gotta ask yourself, "why did so many of these women not trust our system?"

10/11/2017 1:05:11 PM

rjrumfel
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They could still trust the system and lose their credibility in Hollywood, because Weinstein isn't the only one. They were afraid they'd never get work, I'm sure.

10/11/2017 1:07:06 PM

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"I hope Hollywood doesn't make her happy then.

But your first statement is silly, she'd be far more likely to get assaulted in the entertainment industry than an engineering or IT job. Or basically just about any other job out there."


you sure about that?

10/11/2017 1:27:48 PM

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Yeah, his statement true for the first time today but wasn't always like that. Hollywood is late to adjust because a small group of people have all of the power.

10/11/2017 1:37:34 PM

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anyone else hear that dog whistle

10/11/2017 1:39:32 PM

thegoodlife3
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it’s obvious that there needs to be more women in power in all industries

not wanting your daughter to enter a field out of fear isn’t helping things. hoping she chooses a “boring” desk job, really, really doesn’t help things

[Edited on October 11, 2017 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

10/11/2017 1:46:50 PM

jbrick83
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OPTS

10/11/2017 2:06:05 PM

rjrumfel
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^^Maybe she'll grow up to be the senator that fixes shit. That better?

10/11/2017 2:14:27 PM

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I just wonder how none of these women ever murdered him.

10/11/2017 3:52:57 PM

LastInACC
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Shits getting big. I can see him ODing.

10/11/2017 5:11:07 PM

EMCE
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^^ Maybe it's a milder form of learned helplessness? I mean, I could see something like this happening to a woman, and her thinking to herself
1) I can't physically stop him from attacking me
2) If I don't do what he says, I'll have no career. Ever.
3) If I say anything, no one will believe me, and they will assassinate my character

Maybe my best bet is just to keep quiet, not make waves, and hope he never does this again.

10/11/2017 5:20:28 PM

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what was he doing?

if he was saying "play with my ding dong and i'll get you cast in this role" i don't really care

if he was saying "play with my ding dong or i'll make sure you won't get cast in this role" then i have issue

10/11/2017 5:48:40 PM

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Cooperate, and you might be a star. Accuse me, and I'll drag your name through the mud, spread lies about you in tabloids, and make sure you never work in this town again.

10/11/2017 5:57:56 PM

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Lady in the video was clearly being coerced and abused no debate.

but my hypothetical is about women who knowingly let down professional barriers and follow a powerful man (who they are not interested in) up to his bedroom. The man is still wrong but at this point, the woman's role becomes blurry. I'm not defending Weinstein but since we are talking about hollywood rape culture in general now, I want to discuss the underlying causes.

Can we distinguish between "the victim was asking for it" and "women who literally asked for it helped create a culture of quid pro quo"

I know this is too much nuance for some of you but don't hijack my question by saying it is blaming the victim. I'm trying to make it clear that asking about women who premeditate and use sex to get ahead is not the same thing as blaming women who are coerced and pressured into sex.

10/11/2017 6:40:26 PM

PaulISdead
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Bill Clinton did nothing wrong

[Edited on October 11, 2017 at 6:45 PM. Reason : .]

10/11/2017 6:44:15 PM

tulsigabbard
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did you mean to say he didn't commit a crime?

10/11/2017 6:57:34 PM

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His people seem to be insisting that he never forcibly raped anyone. Like, they've clearly drawn a legal line of things that would be criminal, and they obviously are not going to admit to any of the accusations that include various kinds of rape.

But I'm confused because nearly everything else that has been reported is some type of crime: indecent exposure, various degrees of sexual abuse, assault and battery, molestation, harassment, solicitation, etc... I mean, I don't even know what to file this under, but I'm pretty sure it's against the law to pull your dick out in front of an unwilling observer and jerk off in a potted plant.

And it's not like he's a kid who once tried to get his girlfriend to touch his penis and profusely apologized when he realized she didn't want to. This dude's been a sexual predator for decades with plenty of wake-up calls over the years and evidently no ability to change. There are no better candidates for prison.


(Also, I think it's hilarious his people expect us to believe that the extent of his behavior stopped just before rape...like he's a total pervert with a reputation for rage and no sexual impulse control, but he somehow managed to never once rape anybody. )


While I'm at it, I'll go ahead and add that I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he's had people murdered.

10/11/2017 8:58:08 PM

jbrick83
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I'm fully on board with there being some Ray Donovan shit going on.

10/11/2017 9:00:11 PM

acraw
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Haha what a joke. He is entering "rehab". Typical celeb strategy.

10/11/2017 9:25:41 PM

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"Typical celeb rich person strategy."


Gotta show the court[of public opinion] that you're trying to fix yourself!

10/11/2017 9:39:37 PM

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^^

10/11/2017 9:41:36 PM

BigMan157
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rehabilitation works though, just ask prisons

10/11/2017 9:43:52 PM

acraw
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Haha oh shit^^. Where the fuck have you been? ( Me too)

10/11/2017 9:46:29 PM

rjrumfel
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Big names so far that have accused: Jolie, Paltrow, McGowan. I wonder how many lesser known actresses he's taken advantage of for small roles that he said would "get their foot in the door." I bet we're talking about hundreds of cases of abuse over the years.

And I also thought I heard on the radio today that his legal team he had assembled is falling apart - people bailing on him. I don't see how any reputable lawyer could take his case at this point.

Oh and it sounds like Ben Affleck is done too.

10/11/2017 9:51:45 PM

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Why is Ben Affleck done? Because he grabbed the One Tree Hill girl's ass? His brother and Joaquin Phoenix almost raped a producer on the movie they were doing and Casey won a fucking Oscar.

I'm not saying Ben didn't do something wrong...but basically you have to get to Weinstein level to really get in trouble for Hollywood. I don't think Ben is there.

10/11/2017 9:59:50 PM

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Last week? Maybe not, but the fallout from Weinstein will be severe because Hollywood will be trying to put on the facade of "cleaning things up." Yes - the groping incident was one, but McGowan's tweet was pretty bad too. While she didn't provide any proof of their previous conversation, she went on record with the NY Times calling him out as a liar.

10/11/2017 10:01:35 PM

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"Hollywood will be trying to put on the facade of "cleaning things up." saying Weinstein is an isolated case not indicative of a larger culture"

10/11/2017 10:36:55 PM

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Typical liberal scumbag. Mainstream (liberal) media will try its best to downplay what a piece of shit he is. Nothing to see here folks.

10/11/2017 10:57:45 PM

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https://mic.com/articles/185107/designer-donna-karan-defends-harvey-weinstein-by-victim-blaming-then-hastily-apologizes

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"In a red carpet interview caught on tape by the Daily Mail at the Cinemoi Fashion Film Awards on Sunday in Hollywood, California, Karan said that she thought Weinstein and his wife Georgina Chapman, co-founder of the fashion label Marchesa, were “wonderful people.” Then she started to blame Weinstein’s victims. Ironically, given that she’s a fashion designer, she alluded to the idea that how they dressed could have affected what happened to them.

“To see it here in our own country is very difficult, but I also think how do we display ourselves?” she said. “How do we present ourselves as women? What are we asking? Are we asking for it by presenting all the sensuality and all the sexuality? And what are we throwing out to our children today about how to dance and how to perform and what to wear? How much should they show?”"


That's rich coming from a GADDAMN FASHION DESIGNER



Everyone knew Harvey Weinstein was an alleged predator — and that’s exactly why he thrived
https://mic.com/articles/185163/everyone-knew-harvey-weinstein-was-an-alleged-predator-and-thats-exactly-why-he-thrived


Help us track all the times pop culture made references to Weinstein’s alleged behavior
https://mic.com/articles/185151/help-us-track-all-the-times-pop-culture-made-references-to-weinsteins-alleged-behavior


[Edited on October 12, 2017 at 12:53 AM. Reason : ]

10/12/2017 12:46:50 AM

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"Typical liberal scumbag"


Oh so only liberals can be perverts. Good to know. I guess all those Fox News perverts were liberals too.

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"Mainstream (liberal) media will try its best to downplay what a piece of shit he is"


Would love to see your data on that.

[Edited on October 12, 2017 at 1:03 AM. Reason : Wait is Bernie Sanders one of these "scumbags" too? Need more of your hard-hitting date here.]

10/12/2017 12:56:30 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFJ7ie_yGU

Its a cultural norm that everyone accepted for a long time. Half of you will be back to playing this in less than a month.

10/12/2017 3:16:25 AM

rjrumfel
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I mean, it really isn't all that surprising. Hollywood as always been on the forefront of women's rights, right? In the 30's, 40's and 50's, they were so progressive on women's rights that studios forced their female stars to get abortions, whether they wanted them or not.

10/12/2017 7:19:55 AM

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