im pissed off that in the current BMW lineup there isn't a single N/A engine.

5/4/2012 3:00:35 PM

^wow I had no idea. I went on their website and the only NA engine is in the 128i.

5/4/2012 4:07:22 PM

yeah it sucks. Good thing they're only selling overweight and "questionably" styled cars otherwise I might want one!

5/4/2012 4:23:13 PM

The new M5 beats the piss out of the v10. Until it goes limp I guess.

5/4/2012 4:41:50 PM

Quote :

"^wow I had no idea. I went on their website and the only NA engine is in the 128i. "

both 128i and current M3 are the outgoing models in last year of production. new M3 is force fed as is new 1 series.

i dont have a problem with turbo engine offerings, but they should have left at least few "bread and butter" I6s/V8s for people who enjoy linear throttle response and reliability of N/A engine.

5/4/2012 5:23:28 PM

Quote :

" "Has anyone dealt with ESMotorsports?" "

I think that's the place in Greensboro that's had about 5 different names, because they're such a fucked up business that they have to change names every time the word gets out on who they are. Seriously, I wouldn't take a car from them unless they gave it to me. They deal very largely in polished turds (and sometimes just turds). I wouldn't even buy a BMW from a private seller in Greensboro for fear that it was a lemon bought from these dipshits he was trying to unload. They're THAT bad; stay away. Don't even think about it.

5/5/2012 9:29:30 AM

^exactly right.

I posted about my experience a few pages back. no matter how good of a deal it seems, it's not.

5/8/2012 5:38:49 PM

The car Ahmet now drives came from them. I had no issues with them at all. Just my experience.

5/9/2012 10:47:52 AM

There used to be some very damning threads about Eurobahn/Es Motorsports on NCEuro and Bimmerforums. I think they were removed after repeated threats of lawsuits (what forum admin wants to actually fight a lawsuit over a thread?) Mostly people had complaints similar to ncsuallday about promises that were never fulfilled or cars having major issues that were not disclosed. Lots of people flew in from other states with plans to drive the car back only to find it to be nowhere near the advertised condition. In any case, I wouldn't deal with them.

Oh yeah, and they have that one set of 19"s that they put on almost all the 3-Series cars for pics and then when you show up the car is sitting on stock rims.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM. Reason : s]

5/9/2012 2:59:12 PM

this might end up being a good deal

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-BMW-M3-SEDAN-One-Owner-Best-Color-Combo-/160796477245?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item257037873d

going to bid!

5/11/2012 1:47:50 AM

wouldnt be surprised if there are blood stain and some blow in the trunk, but good price

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-BMW-M3-Apline-White-6-Speed-Manual-Navigation-/140743860311?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20c4fce057#ht_29770wt_1165

and another

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-BMW-M3-6-speed-manual-coupe-19-CSL-wheels-/130691152142?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1e6dccb90e#ht_500wt_1182



[Edited on May 11, 2012 at 2:56 AM. Reason : f]

5/11/2012 2:51:56 AM

the v10 m5s are junk right?

i can't remember why tho.

5/11/2012 9:05:25 AM

they have a thimble for a fuel tank.

but they'll go 204 mph.

I'd be willing to live with one for a little while.

5/11/2012 1:32:29 PM

^^great engine mated to wrong car. it is ugly and 4k heavy. it should have been a variation and updated S62 engine...seductive and torquey. other than that great vehicle.

^indeed. 11/17 of premium is like daily driving old muscle car. i think it is the 2nd worst fuel economy rating after lambos and ferraris.

5/11/2012 2:39:19 PM

Picked this up today.

5/11/2012 3:46:43 PM

Damn nice car BIGT.

i'd take that over any subie anyday.

5/11/2012 4:53:46 PM

New host...

5/12/2012 12:48:43 AM

I like it.

5/12/2012 11:28:28 AM

Oh goddamn. That is sexy.

5/13/2012 8:17:59 AM

First on TWW?

5/14/2012 12:35:39 AM

Nice E90! More pics or ban!

5/14/2012 10:46:11 AM

Yeah... that pic is like showing a girl built like a brick house in a skirt and low cut top...

all i can think about is trying to get a peak under that skirt lol.

5/14/2012 10:49:09 AM

Weather is shitty as hell. I'll post more pics after I wash it.

5/14/2012 1:14:58 PM

the inside of bigt's is the sexiest part of it.

5/15/2012 7:33:16 PM

Congrats on the new ride man. That's a sweet looking vehicle.

5/16/2012 9:04:27 AM

I'm starting to think the exhaust tone in this thing is manufactured and not coming from the engine.

It's the anti e46. The tone is pleasing in the lower band, but when you the pedal is on the floor and revs hit mid range climbing to redline is where the exhaust get orgasmic.

You hear that, Ahmet? The exhaust sounds way better in the upper reaches...

5/16/2012 10:32:11 AM

pfft can't hold a candle to my subie which sounds like there are rocks in the combustion chamber and an r/c jet engine under the hood.

5/16/2012 10:38:30 AM

^^isn't the engine noise for the new M5 manufacturered?

5/16/2012 11:01:09 AM

probably... i'm sure the exhaust note from the turbo v8 isn't ideal

5/16/2012 11:13:44 AM

Yes. Dubcaps and I were just talking about that. It's channeled through the speakers.

5/16/2012 11:13:57 AM

new M5 has exhaust sound simulated through speakers. i want to see a meeting where they all agreed what a brilliantly idiotic idea that was...

new car is HUGE. we need E39 with naturally aspirated 6.0L making 500hp with same powerband as S62.

5/16/2012 3:45:05 PM

Are they doing all this bullshit to make the transition to electric cars (with 100% fake exhaust sounds) seamless?

5/16/2012 4:17:54 PM

Listen to the natural sound here

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/24/listen-to-bmws-new-m5-with-its-active-sound-system-enabled-vs/

I listened to it a couple of weeks ago, and from what I remember, I couldn't hear a difference.

Btw, is the sound partially manufactured, or is the actual engine sound fed through the car's stereo system. Cuz there is a difference between the two. In one case, there is some actual artificial sound added, in the other case, the actual sound is amplified(?) to make it more audible.


[Edited on May 16, 2012 at 4:38 PM. Reason : ]

5/16/2012 4:20:55 PM

2013 135is just launched, available for $44,195. Since it has 320 hp, it can't be that far from the 1 M (335 hp) in performance, right?

5/16/2012 5:10:36 PM

Reminds me of that Dodge radio commercial where they tell you to put your windows up and turn the sound up. Then blast the sound of a V8 Challenger or Charger cant remember. Either way I noticed I was going 15mph over after it ha

5/16/2012 5:50:00 PM

I haven't touched that car since the 911's been together, that tells you how I feel. The e90 M3 is rather awesome, particularly in your color combo so well done.

I'd love to have one, in the mean time I have one M too many.

5/16/2012 8:30:10 PM

Quote :

"2013 135is just launched, available for $44,195. Since it has 320 hp, it can't be that far from the 1 M (335 hp) in performance, right?"

Seemed like the 1M coupe had a vastly modified suspension that the 135is doesn't (the body work alone leads me towards this conclusion).

5/17/2012 9:44:13 AM

It used mostly e9x M3 suspension parts.

And fake exhaust is fucking stupid.

5/17/2012 11:10:37 AM

yeah i hate the 350z sound because to me it sounds like there is a speaker playing the engine noise from the mid 90s f1 arcade game under the bumper.

And think of this this way... all of the wattage coming through those speaker is coming off the engine via the alternator.

So to sound like it has muscle it really takes all of it away...

It might as well be that R8 E-tron.


[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

5/17/2012 11:15:55 AM

Quote :

"Seemed like the 1M coupe had a vastly modified suspension that the 135is doesn't (the body work alone leads me towards this conclusion)."

I'm no BMW nerd, but I've always thought that the suspension was at the heart of what makes an M an M (versus the sportier non-M offerings).

5/17/2012 11:31:35 AM

not to discount ///M-division suspension and chassis treatment, but the engine is at least equally set apart. I can't think offhand of any ///M cars that haven't had their own ///M-division specific powerplants, up until the advent of the 1M.

5/17/2012 1:01:01 PM

^what about the X6 M and X5 M?

Also, does the 135is use the N54 twin turbo mill or the N55 single turbo? I'm pretty sure the 1M (and 335is) use the N54 twin turbo set up.

5/17/2012 1:17:28 PM

the X6 M and X5 M don't count.

5/17/2012 1:41:43 PM

What's a turbo? I just have a 4.0L engine with 8 cylinders.

5/17/2012 1:59:00 PM

and mustangs have 5.0 liters i'd still put a blower on one.

5/17/2012 2:05:33 PM

Mustangs don't really belong in this thread no, Vinn.

5/17/2012 2:36:13 PM

135is will have a n55

5/17/2012 3:09:14 PM

saw today that the single turbo kit for the 335 ran a 11.0007 1/4 this week. that is with a 6mt not an auto. i find that to be pretty impressive. i think the last dyno was 644 whp. all this on totally stock internals, only additions are bigger ic, single turbo, meth, and cai. total cost for that should end up under 8k. impressive to say the least. i have spoken to them about my car and they said 30 days the kit should come out so it does not have to be done on the left coast at their shop. i think a stock looking 6 door 3 car that can run 10's would be a lot of fun.

5/17/2012 8:39:51 PM

How stout are the transmissions and differentials on those cars? That seems like a lot to ask, unless you have no intentions of tracking them.

5/18/2012 8:10:18 AM

right now the manuals are holding up just fine. different clutch but that is it. the automatics are still being evaluated as well as the Xi's

5/18/2012 10:02:06 AM