I'd like to suggest that communication is a two way street, and requires some of the intellectual curiosity that rwoody mentioned above.

And to confirm the rabid voters != the one's I suggested (at least intended to suggest) would vote for Trump.

Quote :

"I'm partially excited about the debates showcasing how similar they are on issues, and forcing some republicans to concede that they've been largely advocating centrist-democrat policies while being rabidly Trumpian. I also think this has a clear chance of pulling in moderate republicans"

That's my statement but let's now look at it in segments.

Quote :

"I'm partially excited about the debates showcasing how similar they are on issues, and forcing some republicans to concede that they've been largely advocating centrist-democrat policies while being rabidly Trumpian. "

Trump has been touting policies that conservative and centrist democrats have been for ages. His talking points are nearly the same as Biden's, hence my I'd find humorous comment since it's so absurd but c'est la vie. These people at the same time have been aggressively pro Trump despite the fact the policies they back are anything but mainstream republican. My statement isn't how they'll vote for trump but rather the humor I find in their irony and their realization. This statement was then followed by...

Quote :

"...Trumpian. I also think this has a clear chance of pulling in moderate republicans."

I point these people out as a different group. I say he has a chance to pull in this other group. I did not say and then he can pull this group of rapid Trumpain moderate republicans... or use any form of 'these' to connect the two groups. I can vaguely see how someone would connect the two groups, but not so much so that I would continue to beat my head against the wall confused once someone kept reiterating they were talking about a subset of educated moderate republicans. Even more so since I clarified that this group, referring to the group mentioned directly before it, who are the moderate republicans, is a group tired of Trump. Rabidly pro Trumpian doesn't sound like a group who is tired of him.

I'm sure you get it all now. Even if you say you don't.

6/13/2019 12:15:23 PM

yes, i have correctly understood your posts

it's nonsense to think that trumpian people will have any realizations about policies, or to think that his policies will pull in moderate republicans (at least in any kind of noteworthy amount)

[Edited on June 13, 2019 at 12:20 PM. Reason : biden is hillary, not obama ]

6/13/2019 12:20:06 PM

All you can hope to do is somehow use their xenophobic or ethnocentric-driven fears into tricking them.

Like the whole Duck Season/Rabbit Season thing from Bugs Bunny.

6/13/2019 12:33:08 PM

^^well you argued a bunch of different stuff, most of which youve now dropped after realizing he wasnt responding to you in the first place.

[Edited on June 13, 2019 at 1:28 PM. Reason : Which was a case of you being bad at communication I guess ]

6/13/2019 1:24:23 PM

jfc, go read the posts

6/13/2019 1:43:35 PM

You said directly that you thought geppetto was responding to the Biden epiphany thing. He wasn't. Nothing implied that he was. I was reading the exchange and was very confused why you kept bringing up epiphanies, especially to my post.

6/13/2019 1:52:30 PM

Its obvious you havent read, go away

6/13/2019 2:32:53 PM

lmao Nate Silver has been having a Twitter meltdown

6/13/2019 2:33:19 PM

not really

he called out someone for boasting about a single poll and that someone responded by blocking him

I wholeheartedly agree with this take about boasting about one poll and saying disregard trends:

Quote :

"the latest Quinnipiac poll’s great for Bernie, and they should hype it up! but “ignore the overall trend, THIS is the poll that says what’s ACTUALLY happening” is a bad message for a healthy campaign. Bernie’s in second place — he’s in great shape! no reason to resort to this"

http://twitter.com/onlxn/status/1138852904431808512

[Edited on June 13, 2019 at 2:55 PM. Reason : the thread that follows that, too]

6/13/2019 2:49:25 PM

^^^fuck off, you go away, learn some self awareness and willingness to admit you fucked up

6/13/2019 2:51:18 PM

^^ hes still posting today

[Edited on June 13, 2019 at 2:59 PM. Reason : ^ jfc just read]

6/13/2019 2:58:27 PM

that is quite far from a twitter meltdown

6/13/2019 3:06:28 PM

If Warrens debate spot was switched with Bernie’s the Sirota gang would be having an epic meltdown. Warren is going to be great in a debate policy-wise but almost all the focus will be on the other one with the heavyweights.

In any case, this clown car of a primary is gonna be absurd.

6/14/2019 3:38:57 PM

^

Quote :

"NEWS - the Democratic debate groups PURPLE: bernie, harris, biden, buttigieg, bennet, williamson, swalwell gillibrand, yang, hickenlooper ORANGE: booker, warren, beto, klobuchar, delaney, tulsi, castro, ryan, de blasio, Inslee NBC will now decide which night goes first"

Orange goes first

6/14/2019 3:47:48 PM

picking names from a hat is a stupid way to decide a debate lineup

6/14/2019 3:48:05 PM

agreed

they should've printed their names on lotto balls

6/14/2019 4:17:45 PM

Not sure why they didn't just do in by who is polling the highest and then going down the list with all the odds in one debate and the evens in another. Having the two front runners on different nights would help guarantee views

6/15/2019 11:15:56 AM

Why are people like Klobuchar/Inslee/Delaney even running at this point? Just seems like a waste of everyone's time.

6/15/2019 1:02:05 PM

My guess is they think people want to compare Biden and Sanders head-to-head. But I'm not sure why anyone at this point wouldn't know their differences.

I think Warren won the draw, as she can be front and center in a debate of also-rans and stay firm and strong without getting in the trenches with Sanders and Biden quite yet.

6/15/2019 1:06:04 PM

Half these candidates should be running for senate seats

6/15/2019 2:11:54 PM

^we went over this a couple of pages ago:

Quote :

"That would be great if they didn't almost entirely come from states that either aren't voting on a senate seat this cycle or already have a democrat incumbent, or they themselves are already in the senate. I think only two out of the top twenty candidates would qualify, and they are both in Texas."

Someone else pointed out Montana and Colorado are Senate options, but still, it's not like there is anywhere else for most of them to run.

6/15/2019 3:13:01 PM

It's not illegal to move

6/15/2019 3:34:58 PM

$500/month... just for prescriptions
Lol, so progressive

6/15/2019 3:35:42 PM

key phrase being “we can start”

6/15/2019 4:12:59 PM

#nomiddleground

6/15/2019 4:17:32 PM

https://twitter.com/resistbot/status/1140457721399037953?s=21

BUT MAYBE THEY WONT CALL A MODERATE SOCIALIST!

6/17/2019 11:42:53 AM

https://twitter.com/michaelcbender/status/1140957237533388801?s=21

Is there a chance above 0.0% our shitty national media won’t frame the entirety of this primary around our mentally handicapped president’s mouth-diarrhea? Didn’t think so.

[Edited on June 18, 2019 at 10:02 AM. Reason : Primary]

6/18/2019 10:01:58 AM

well that's why it's so imporant that biden wins the primary so republicans will realize that trump is bad and biden is good!

6/18/2019 10:13:55 AM

^ you're trying too hard

6/18/2019 10:25:18 AM

go talk to biden's campaign manager

6/18/2019 10:30:42 AM

^^ as always

6/18/2019 12:07:09 PM

Quote :

"Half these candidates should be running for senate seats"

They are definitely being *paid* to run to waterdown the debates and split the vote so that the media and DNC can have as much power over the process as possible. A 10 person debate is not a debate and each person won't even get a chance to respond to each of the "questions" that come up. Its all fixed.

With that said, these candidates need to be looking into Trump's performances from the GOP debates last time because he really put on a clinic of how to stand out in a debate to levitate his campaign. Come out with a clear projection that you are MAD AS HELL and fight the frontrunners on the issues where you have the most contrast. You can't just project anger at the other side but it must be directed at any democrat with the audacity to be on this stage without the right policies for the people. Being polite projects as not caring enough and is not going to get anyone noticed. You might as well stay home polite. (Yang, Tulsi, Bernie, Warren, Harris I'm looking at all of you. ) Show people that your contrast is URGENT and that you are willing to FIGHT FOR THEM.

Thats how Trump built his base. He was attractive because he came off as someone who would part with the ways of Washington on their behalf. It may not have been true for Trump but that hypothetical candidate is still the one that would change the map and drive enough turnout to take the senate as well. Its the most amazing story in the history of politics.

[Edited on June 18, 2019 at 11:04 PM. Reason : *paid* promised a high position and a nomination when its "their turn" like it was hillarys]

6/18/2019 11:03:13 PM

Also, racism. Earl admired the racism.

6/19/2019 6:26:33 AM

Other than being yet another corporate neoliberal, Biden's problem is he still believes the GOP will come around and that he can get them to work with him. They won't. Unfortunately the Dems are not focused enough on taking the Senate and Biden seems clueless to the fact that McConnell will be the "grim reaper" if he remains in power.

6/19/2019 8:49:10 AM

https://twitter.com/isaacdovere/status/1141157838481498113?s=21

Owning the libs by talking up a segregationist.

6/19/2019 8:49:30 AM

he also said david brooks was a brilliant columnist, lol

6/19/2019 9:18:00 AM

https://twitter.com/billdeblasio/status/1141371930915803136?s=21

I’m officially a De Blasibro.

6/19/2019 11:51:01 AM

https://www.essence.com/news/politics/joe-biden-james-o-eastland-mississippi/

6/19/2019 11:59:31 AM

Kristen Gillibrand is desperate enough to be doing water pong shots on my Facebook atm.

6/20/2019 6:05:12 AM

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/biden-apologize-civility-segregationalists

Quote :

"Biden shot back at Booker specifically on Wednesday, speaking briefly to a gaggle of reporters. “Apologize for what? Cory should apologize,” he said. “He knows better. There’s not a racist bone in my body; I’ve been involved in civil rights my whole career. Period. Period. Period.”"

oof

6/20/2019 8:38:15 AM

His best move would be to just sleep for the next seven months and wake up two days before the Iowa caucuses.

[Edited on June 20, 2019 at 9:24 AM. Reason : Biden isnt racist like Trump. He’s just an out of touch dinosaur.]

6/20/2019 9:23:33 AM

the "hillary clinton"

6/20/2019 9:26:22 AM

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449346-sanders-knocks-warren-corporate-wing-of-democratic-party-is-anybody-but

Quote :

" Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) took a shot at Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) on Wednesday, a sign that the fight to be the Democratic Party’s progressive standard-bearer is heating up as Warren rises in the polls. Sanders, referencing a Politico article about how centrist Democrats are flocking to Warren’s campaign in an effort to ensure he doesn’t win the nomination, tweeted that the “corporate wing” of the Democratic Party is intent on electing anyone but him. “The cat is out of the bag,” Sanders tweeted. “The corporate wing of the Democratic Party is publicly ‘anybody but Bernie.’ They know our progressive agenda of Medicare for All, breaking up big banks, taking on drug companies and raising wages is the real threat to the billionaire class.”"

The cat was never in the bag Bernie. How could you not have noticed this in the past 4 years? We could have built a viable 3rd party by now but you are naive that they will come around.

Improbable odds for progressives to have to defeat Warren before we can take on Biden and then have to defeat Biden before we can take on Trump. Would be so much easier to go straight to the general as independents, green, or anything else really .

6/20/2019 1:57:34 PM

Quote :

"e could have built a viable 3rd party by now"

6/20/2019 2:02:05 PM

guth got Earl'd

6/20/2019 2:47:05 PM

Sweet Lord, a third party would kill us all.

Trump's rock-hard 43% would keep him in office forever.

6/21/2019 7:14:12 AM

Yes but Earl is basically Michael Tracey and actually likes Trump.

6/21/2019 7:32:59 AM

Ta-Nehisi Coates: Joe Biden shouldn’t be president. If he ends up being the nominee, better him than Trump, but I think that’s a really, really low standard.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/20/ta-nehisi_coates_on_joe_biden_better_than_trump_is_a_very_low_standard.html

6/21/2019 8:05:26 AM

When I say "viable" 3rd party, I mean more viable than Bernie's chances within the democrat party which are essentially zero. He may not be able to match Trump's base but it would be extremely close. The part no one thinks about is all of the non-democrats who are in Bernie's base and aren't part of the primaries but also the silent majority of non-voters who most certainly align with Bernie and would show up for him in the general. A Bernie indy election would have record turnout and would end up depending on how many liberals Bernie could flip. The hypothetical Bernie Trump one on one election would result in a Bernie landslide and his coattails would flip the senate and deepen the house. Democrat leadership fears that result more than anything.

Quote :

" If he ends up being the nominee, better him than Trump, but I think that’s a really, really low standard. "

Two far right candidates so its really just a litmus on how libertarian you are. Tax cuts and gun rights.

Other than curing cancer, I can't find a single issue where Biden is "better" than Trump. They are both awful but I can find more positives out of a Trump presidency. Not being part of the corporate establishment is a plus but saving us from war is a huge plus. Allies not being with us or trusting us on foreign conflicts is a good thing. As much as I hate capitalism, the economy is booming more than ever under Trump. No sense in going back to the "We are capitalists, but somethings not right, but socialism is bad, so wee need to do more corporate handouts and regulations on behalf of special interests that can be sold as "progressive" days.


If Biden is elected, liberals will go back to not caring about immigrants, abortion, healthcare, economics, education, or climate change and since its becoming clear we aren't going to elect anyone who will touch these issues, I'd rather keep the liberals pissed off and activated than going back to the complacency of the previous 8 years. We can make a lot more progress at the state level when liberals are activated. The caveat is that you can also think of it as their punishment for putting us in this situation AGAIN.



[Edited on June 21, 2019 at 12:28 PM. Reason : Remember when they thought it was all because of Russia?]

6/21/2019 11:59:48 AM

Ted Cruz will be the next potus. Democrats have zero chance.

6/21/2019 12:03:25 PM