Are you serious with that? Do you not think it's totally disgusting to pull the Clinton 2016 ploy of painting Bernie, a lifelong defender of every kind of civil rights, as a misogynist? By a person who is supposed to be an ally.

[Edited on January 13, 2020 at 7:02 PM. Reason : .]

1/13/2020 6:58:55 PM

I guess I don’t view Bernie as Civil Rights Jesus like you do.

[Edited on January 13, 2020 at 7:41 PM. Reason : Bernie already apologized and blamed a random staffer. You’re acting like he was assaulted.]

1/13/2020 7:32:07 PM

I thought we were talking about this

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html

1/13/2020 7:51:37 PM

Bernie Babies are so triggered right now

Did y'all really think Warren wouldn't clap back at him eventually? You must be new to politics.

1/13/2020 8:02:27 PM

I expected policy debate, not a rat move like this.

[Edited on January 13, 2020 at 8:08 PM. Reason : sry, two back to back rat moves ]

1/13/2020 8:06:02 PM

1/13/2020 8:13:58 PM

Bernie has kept it clean, I expected Warren to do the same

1/13/2020 9:45:24 PM

I feel like it’s only the wonks really getting caught up in this controversy

1/13/2020 10:39:21 PM

Eh maybe, it's getting shared a bunch online

Meanwhile, here is some context:


So definitely a smear

1/13/2020 11:14:04 PM

She's lied about everything else so why not? I just hope now her supporters see what she is instead of tripling down against Bernie.

1/14/2020 12:29:18 AM

Since when is having a pragmatic view of likely election outcomes the same as being a misogynist?

1/14/2020 1:10:29 AM

God, Bernie Babies are the absolute worst. Inverse of Trump supporters, but slightly more educated.

1/14/2020 1:22:36 AM

WTF CNN

Quote :

"The revelation that Sanders expressed skepticism that Warren could win the presidency because she is a woman is particularly noteworthy now, given that Warren is the lone female candidate at the top of the Democratic field."

Shouldn't that say "... Sanders allegedly expressed skepticism..."???

1/14/2020 1:44:47 AM

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1216925563400654849

Quote :

" Tulsi Gabbard ?? @TulsiGabbard I also met with @BernieSanders before announcing my candidacy. We had a nice one-on-one conversation and I informed him that I would be running for President. In that meeting, he showed me the greatest respect and encouragement, just as he always has."

Don't you Warren warmongers find it curious that it didn't come up with Tulsi? Nope. You probably think Tulsi is Russian or Republican or some other conspiracy theory that also somehow happens to make her want to help Bernie and Trump at the same time.



The warren campaign is and has always been about undermining support for Bernie. Time to take the gloves off tomorrow.


[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 2:23 AM. Reason : i can illiterate names too]

1/14/2020 2:20:51 AM

I’d argue that Bernie hasn’t kept it clean, He’s just laundered all his attacks through garbage ass writers at Jacobin or Current Affairs, etc. He can play buddy-buddy while these shitty Brooklyn hipsters just make shit up.

Go run down MeganmDay’s twitter feed (the most annoying example in my mind.) they’ve been spreading lies about all the candidates, and while the level of coordination is an open question, I personally believe there is some.

And this is what I think leftists need to be most concerned with, not so much Bernie, BUT DEFINITELY HIS SURROGATES. It’s the Brooklynization of the left. Where you take some of Trump’s “the ends always justify the means” mentality and combine it with hipster virtue signaling and the facade lifestyle most of these people live. They’re fake and their analysis is garbage because it always begins with the answer of “Bernie is Jesus.”

1/14/2020 5:14:12 AM

Don’t ever forget that Bernie Bros that sat home out of spite are culpable for Trump’s presidency. These people are nasty, pathetic individuals who have zero room to talk about running a ‘clean’ campaign.

Rest assured if he doesn’t get the nom they will do the exact same thing again.

1/14/2020 8:03:52 AM

^^ give an example of an attack you think bernie laundered

1/14/2020 8:05:51 AM

Quote :

" You probably think Tulsi is Russian or Republican or some other conspiracy theory that also somehow happens to make her want to help Bernie and Trump at the same time."

Nope. She’s just a conservative House Democrat. Votes with Trump around 19% of the time. That’s all.

Anyway, I think given his track record Bernie deserves every benefit of the doubt. Even if he intimated that a woman couldn’t win I don’t think he meant it in any way but pragmatic.

Quote :

" It’s the Brooklynization of the left. Where you take some of Trump’s “the ends always justify the means” mentality and combine it with hipster virtue signaling and the facade lifestyle most of these people live"

Separate the man and his policy from some of his worst supporters. If you judge any politician by the worst of their supporters you would never vote.

Quote :

" Don’t ever forget that Bernie Bros that sat home out of spite are culpable for Trump’s presidency."

There is really no statistical evidence for this. Yes, I’d rather not see him hire high-profile campaign staff who voted Stein but Bernie himself went above and beyond campaigning for Clinton and statistically Bernie supporters shows up en masse for Clinton at the polls, however begrudgingly.

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 8:12 AM. Reason : X]

1/14/2020 8:08:20 AM

Quote :

" Don't you Warren warmongers find it curious that it didn't come up with Tulsi? Nope. You probably think Tulsi is Russian or Republican or some other conspiracy theory that also somehow happens to make her want to help Bernie and Trump at the same time"

I find it curious you’ve hitched your star to the worst kind of shady/opportunistic candidate who merely exists to play spoiler since Jill Stein. Oh wait, no I don’t.

Quote :

" There is really no statistical evidence for this. Yes, I’d rather not see him hire high-profile campaign staff who voted Stein but Bernie himself went above and beyond campaigning for Clinton and statistically Bernie supporters shows up en masse for Clinton at the polls, however begrudgingly. "

I’m typing on my phone, and there should have been a “who” instead of “that”. And yeah, they exist.

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 8:18 AM. Reason : .]

1/14/2020 8:10:51 AM

dang, even nate silver didn't buy the warren thing

Quote :

" Nate Silver @NateSilver538 · 10h Wait, there are people who *don't* think the Warren campaign leaked the story?"

1/14/2020 9:08:34 AM

Quote :

" give an example of an attack you think bernie laundered"

Meagan Day was the originator of the objectively false story that Warren wasn't fired from her teacher job for being pregnant:

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/11/fact-check-doubts-about-elizabeth-warrens-pregnancy-story-raised-by-female-socialist/

I apologize for the breitbart link, but this attack was so objectively untrue that no reasonable outlet would run it. This was pretty close to the peak of the Jacobin writer attacks, when Bernie was dying in a hospital somewhere and Warren was surging in the polls.

Again, I can't prove direct coordination between the Bernie Campaign and Jacobin/DSA, but I feel it will reveal itself in time.

Quote :

"Separate the man and his policy from some of his worst supporters. If you judge any politician by the worst of their supporters you would never vote."

I have and I will. I'll never anoint Bernie, but I am set to vote for him in the primary if, by the time they get to NC, Bernie is in the best position to challenge Biden.

1/14/2020 9:22:36 AM

Quote :

" I’d argue that Bernie hasn’t kept it clean, He’s just laundered all his attacks through garbage ass writers at Jacobin or Current Affairs, etc. He can play buddy-buddy while these shitty Brooklyn hipsters just make shit up. Go run down MeganmDay’s twitter feed (the most annoying example in my mind.) they’ve been spreading lies about all the candidates, and while the level of coordination is an open question, I personally believe there is some. And this is what I think leftists need to be most concerned with, not so much Bernie, BUT DEFINITELY HIS SURROGATES. It’s the Brooklynization of the left. Where you take some of Trump’s “the ends always justify the means” mentality and combine it with hipster virtue signaling and the facade lifestyle most of these people live. They’re fake and their analysis is garbage because it always begins with the answer of “Bernie is Jesus.”"

Would love to see what lies you think meagan day is spreading.

And really surprised to learn that Jacobin and Current Affairs are now surrogates of the Sanders campaign and not independent magazines.

The goalielax-ification of Warren supporters is sad to watch

Quote :

" Bernie was dying in a hospital somewhere "

Nice dude

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 9:34 AM. Reason : sp ]

1/14/2020 9:28:51 AM

Quote :

"Again, I can't prove direct coordination between the Bernie Campaign and Jacobin/DSA, but I feel it will reveal itself in time."

#feelfacts

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 9:33 AM. Reason : we need more peter daou's, fewer goalielax's]

1/14/2020 9:31:38 AM

Chairman Daou

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1216900643673313281?s=21

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 9:38 AM. Reason : .]

1/14/2020 9:38:17 AM

All this arguing about behind the scenes aids he said she said is annoying and pointless. Let it come up at the next debate, let them each say their peace about it, then let it drop and stop being distracted from actual issues.

1/14/2020 9:48:45 AM

Weird how you guys were immediately convinced Warren, the individual, cooked up Bernie’s misogyny (probably while chanting satanic texts over a bubbling cauldron at midnight), but that there is interaction between the Bernie campaign and various DSA surrogates/Jacobin is just an unthinkable impossibility.

It’s because you are totally blind to the messiah complex you have for Bernie.

1/14/2020 9:49:42 AM

nate silver is blinded by his bernie sanders messiah complex


lol, good point

1/14/2020 9:50:35 AM

Even if it were 100% true, which it isn’t, it would still be a low blow to someone who literally asked her to run in 2016 and considers her a good friend.

And idk why you keep saying we think Bernie is Jesus. The left is far more critical of Bernie than the center is of Warren. I’ve personally criticized him in this forum multiple times.

Remember, there is a way out. You can request refunds on ActBlue!

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 9:55 AM. Reason : .]

1/14/2020 9:54:20 AM

^Can you link to your criticisms?

Dtownral on Nate Silver a few months ago:

Quote :

"dtownral All American 26003 Posts user info edit post Silver has become an insulated beltway pundit interested in protecting his way of life just like the rest of them, even a little booing is rocking the boat too much [Edited on October 28, 2019 at 4:02 PM. Reason : .] 10/28/2019 4:02:09 P"

Dtownral after Nate Silver kisses Bernie’s ass:

“HOW DARE YOU QUESTION NATE SILVER.”

1/14/2020 10:01:41 AM

No I'm not gonna dig through my post history but I remembered one from a week ago

https://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=620113&page=19

1/14/2020 10:43:07 AM

Jacobinmag and commondreams aren't pro Bernie, they just happen to be the only news sources with a left-leaning angle so naturally they would be warm towards Bernie and against everyone else. I don't know why this is a big deal for you. Normies don't even know these sites exist. Warren has MSNBC, CNN, NYT, ABC, and CBS on her side and blacking Bernie out so you should just accept the state of the media and be happy. Foxnews is literally the most pro-bernie MSM network only because they want to categorize the party as AOC's party. Thats how bad it is.

Quote :

"And this is what I think leftists need to be most concerned with, not so much Bernie, BUT DEFINITELY HIS SURROGATES. It’s the Brooklynization of the left. Where you take some of Trump’s “the ends always justify the means” mentality and combine it with hipster virtue signaling and the facade lifestyle most of these people live. They’re fake and their analysis is garbage because it always begins with the answer of “Bernie is Jesus.”""

The people you are talking about are leftists like me. We aren't "Bernie people" and are backing only him simply because he's the only candidate left enough to be considered acceptable. Most of Bernie's supporters are just progressive leaning democrats.

We aren't democrats at all and never have been. Most of his supporters listened to his request and voted for Hillary because they were already democrats. If we were "Bernie is jesus" type people we would do whatever he asks. A good example here is Daaave is a Bernie surrogate while I am just a random leftist on the internet supporting Bernie.

We are an extreme minority amongst Sanders supporters and you're using a classic foxnews strategy to try and characterize the entire group by its most extreme members.

You shouldn't even be so hard on us either though because theres always a more extreme group. Most real leftists would never even consider voting for Bernie because he's running as a democrat. They trash him because they think his entire campaign is designed to sheep dog us into the democratic party so we can end up voting for someone like warren. Out of the people with my political ideology, I'm one of the compromising ones. Its definitely a thankless compromise reaching out to a bunch of democrats and telling them you'd vote for one of their candidates just to try to form a coalition with them. Anti-left democrats are much more willing to compromise with the right than the left.

1/14/2020 11:11:56 AM

FYI I’m not a surrogate, I’m a volunteer and a communist and Bernie is a compromise candidate for me

1/14/2020 11:14:50 AM

Quote :

" Dtownral after Nate Silver kisses Bernie’s ass: “HOW DARE YOU QUESTION NATE SILVER"

Lol, how did you miss that I'm making the point that even noted Sanders-hater Nate Silver recognizes this story for what it is

lol christ

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 11:58 AM. Reason : Silver thinks Sanders is the messiah, lol]

1/14/2020 11:57:16 AM

Quote :

" Rest assured if he doesn’t get the nom they will do the exact same thing again."

guess we should just all vote for him to win the nomination then

1/14/2020 2:18:19 PM

warren's team realized they big oofed

Quote :

"Elizabeth Warren’s Campaign Is Telling Key Supporters To De-Escalate From The Fight With Bernie Sanders Insinuating that Sanders is sexist would be “really bad news for us,” a campaign official cautioned supporters in a pro-Warren group chat."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-woman-president-deescalation

Quote :

"At one point in a lengthy DM to the Twitter group on Tuesday morning, the Warren staffer’s description of the controversy hewed closer to Sanders’ description than Warren’s. “Claiming you’re worried a woman can’t win/flagging that she’ll receive sexist attacks is something many, many people feel,” the campaign official wrote."

1/14/2020 3:01:33 PM

The problem here is similar to the fake Indian thing; it's not the actual controversy but the way Warren and her team handle it.

They are completely inept at navigating the smallest / stupidest things. Forget tripping over potholes or landmines; they trip over a gently folded napkin.

1/14/2020 3:39:31 PM

Which is why Trump might end up mopping the floor with her. Not that it matters, as by the time the election rolls around, there will be no more undecided/on the fence voters.

1/14/2020 5:21:50 PM

I see Amy still has shaky hair syndrome.

1/14/2020 9:08:30 PM

1/14/2020 9:51:30 PM

Wow Buttigeig talking about "free loaders" and mandating people pay for the public option and Amy bragging about her will to balance the deficit.

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 10:11 PM. Reason : republicans back at it again]

1/14/2020 10:10:42 PM

He's 100% right on freeloaders. Every country with a sustainable uhc plan has a mandate.

Warren's just pullin numbers out of her ass. How you gonna make corporations suddenly pay enormous taxes that they've successfully dodged for years.

1/14/2020 10:15:21 PM

Warren reminds of trump in a lot of ways. You can't just drop prices on drugs without providing a stimulus for r and d in Pharma.

You can't just make lofty promises without providing a realistic way of paying for it.

1/14/2020 10:19:47 PM

Buttig just dropped the 7% number. That's currently about the same taxes as seen in Western Europe. He may not be flashy, but he's practical and obviously the most realistic out of the bunch.

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 10:23 PM. Reason : F]

1/14/2020 10:21:50 PM

man fuck cnn. running questions straight from buttigeig again. "Hey, tom should your kids have gotten free education?"

1/14/2020 10:30:26 PM

Quote :

"How you gonna make corporations suddenly pay enormous taxes that they've successfully dodged for years"

Policy.

1/14/2020 10:32:37 PM

Quote :

"You can't just drop prices on drugs without providing a stimulus for r and d in Pharma."

So you're arguing the current setup is optimal? Public welfare is equally weighed against the need for R&D dollars and corporate profits?

1/14/2020 10:37:58 PM

Fuck Tom Steyer

Asshole acts high and mighty about walking away from his career of being a corporate raider and profiting from fossil fuels (and probably still profiting from fossil fuels) like maybe 8 years ago but calls it over 10, and after securing a multi-billion net worth has the luxury of being able to pivot to a life of philanthropy and supposedly fighting climate change. So fucking hypocritical.

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 11:03 PM. Reason : He also says he didn't come from money but I'd like to see the data.]

1/14/2020 10:44:35 PM

I'm so sick of hearing Uncle Joe talking about legislation he introduced (key word) 30+ years ago. What have you done for me lately Joe?

Also hilarious how he keeps ending his segments by saying he's out of time vs Amy talking through the moderators telling her to stop.

[Edited on January 14, 2020 at 10:50 PM. Reason : ]

1/14/2020 10:49:55 PM

Incredible

https://twitter.com/walkerbragman/status/1217277148916002823?s=21

1/14/2020 11:15:09 PM

This is probably a good juncture for us to list our current top 3 for this primary.

Mine is:
Sanders
Warren
Buttigieg

1/14/2020 11:15:10 PM