Also, I want to reiterate, that I think rape allegations should be taken seriously. However, the accuser has changed her story multiple times, has been caught in lies, has willing lied under oath before, has stories contradicted by dozens of witnesses (ie Biden staff saying staff didn't work fundraisers, fundraisers weren't in DC), etc...I just don't get what else there is left?

5/27/2020 11:24:01 AM

What's left is rape victims often do lots of the things you just described. And as far as I know Reade still has people backing her up too?

I am not calling you a rape apologist... maybe president of the Biden fan club, but not actually gross.

The worst thing the left can do right now is say "okay, he said / she said." And then let Biden plow forward because of his obvious importance. THAT is the reason people keep invoking #metoo hypocrisy.

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 11:27 AM. Reason : EDIT]

5/27/2020 11:25:22 AM

In the meantime, Biden gets credibility for coming out against the Uber/Lyft initiative

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1265472291099549699

5/27/2020 11:26:34 AM

...you think that's an appropriate post after this back and forth??

5/27/2020 11:28:02 AM

I'd also like to remind everyone that the best case scenario is that she is lying and Biden isn't a rapist. He just sniffs women's heads and touches them inappropriately on a regular basis. But hey at least he didn't fly on the pedophile plane so he's certainly leaps and bounds better than Trump here.

But Democrats are supposed to be the party with morals, right? If that were the case, they would have demanded Biden drop out before the primaries began. Too bad I guess.

5/27/2020 11:30:50 AM

but Trump has WAY MORE accusers!

5/27/2020 11:31:51 AM

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"It's fucking gross and you're fucking gross for focusing on these character smears rather than the rape accusation."

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"Weird how the rape victim is being held to a higher standard than the rapist."

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"but this scenario is plausible and we are talking about rape."

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"What's left is rape victims often do lots of the things you just described. And as far as I know Reade still has people backing her up too? I am not calling you a rape apologist... maybe president of the Biden fan club, but not actually gross."

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"I'd also like to remind everyone that the best case scenario is that she is lying and Biden isn't a rapist"

Wait did I miss a rape allegation? The accusations have escalated yet again?

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"it's a damn fact this sort of handshake deal regarding graduation happens all the time at colleges."

You mean handshake in the handjob sense right?

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"Also, I want to reiterate, that I think rape allegations should be taken seriously. However, the accuser has changed her story multiple times, has been caught in lies, has willing lied under oath before, has stories contradicted by dozens of witnesses (ie Biden staff saying staff didn't work fundraisers, fundraisers weren't in DC), etc...I just don't get what else there is left? "

Yes, and where is the second accuser? Third etc? Surely a predator who would brazenly do this in a congressional hallway where anyone could see it would have done it to plenty of other women, in all sorts of different scenarios. She could be telling the truth. We can bend our thinking into a position where we explain why she would have not always told the truth due to the nature of things she's experienced but I need more allegations.

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"...you think that's an appropriate post after this back and forth??"

lol hollllly fuck we got the post police up in here GTFO with that bullshit.

^^ yah we get it bernie bros don't like biden and always feel the need to attack whoever beats him in the primaries yada yada yada. you're focusing your energy on the wrong thing.

5/27/2020 11:46:20 AM

I'm just honestly tired of talking about Reade in general and think I've made my position clear.

Her story has changed multiple times
She has been caught in deliberate lies
She likely has lied under oath
She can provide zero evidence of her claim
She has been manipulated by scummy "journalists"
Those journalists have coached witnesses
Her own lawyer has ditched her

Biden has denied it. People who have worked in the office have denied even basic details of her story.

What else is there to say? I don't believe her story is credible. I welcome new investigations on any new evidence she presents and think yhat ANY claims of rape or assault should be investigated. However, we're at the point where major news journalists have found nothing but lies and the Delaware police moved this to inactive.

We've (general we) been talking about this for so many pages now. What more can I say? People like Dave will believe Tara regardless of evidence. If there are new developments, I'll certainly talk about it

5/27/2020 11:47:10 AM

My dude you post about this more than anyone, if youre tired or talking about it, stop trying to convince us (and yourself) that she is obviously lying. If some clear new evidence comes out, fine, otherwise the rest of us are resigned to never knowing the full truth

Also re rape

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"rape1[ reyp ]SHOW IPA SEE SYNONYMS FOR rape ON THESAURUS.COM noun unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim."

5/27/2020 11:51:00 AM

He asked a question, I answered it.

I then posted something unrelated and he told me it wasn't appropriate.

Just responding to the accusation

5/27/2020 11:52:33 AM

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": unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception"

5/27/2020 11:53:12 AM

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"Wait did I miss a rape allegation? The accusations have escalated yet again? "

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"Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent."

You have the nerve to insult me (post police) after making a mistake like this? And you're a moderator? What a joke.

Anyway, you guys win. I don't have anything to add nor the energy to say anything beyond "this seems unfinished." If you all think that's fine then it's fine.

5/27/2020 11:54:09 AM

^^^this topic was dead for a week before you posted the college article

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 11:55 AM. Reason : E]

5/27/2020 11:55:16 AM

His accuser isn't using the term, her lawyer didn't use the term, nor is any media source that I can readily identify.

Bernie bros are using the term though, because they have axes to grind.

5/27/2020 11:55:22 AM

dictionary.com is a Bernie Bro. Got it.

What a bad look / pathetic hill to die on.

5/27/2020 11:56:39 AM

The line bw sexual assault and rape is razor thin and a pretty pedantic argument

The accusation meets the dictionary definition of rape

5/27/2020 11:57:02 AM

pedantic is definitely the word.

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"this seems unfinished."

sure we'll see what happens.

5/27/2020 11:58:16 AM

Yeah that's fine... I'm just concerned this story is never going to be taken seriously here if one of the detractors doesn't think forced fingering is unlawful sexual activity.

5/27/2020 12:02:44 PM

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"pretty pedantic argument"

5/27/2020 12:06:36 PM

buddy you're the one who made a whole big thing out of using the (accurate) definition

5/27/2020 12:10:07 PM

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"The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”"

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape

Fbi are Bernie bros

Also

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"ped·ant /'pednt/ Learn to pronounce noun a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning. "

Getting mad about using rape instead of sexual assault seems like it qualifies?

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 12:17 PM. Reason : E]

5/27/2020 12:16:36 PM

pretty good rule of thumb is to never, under any circumstance, channel Todd Aiken

5/27/2020 12:17:48 PM

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"Fbi are Bernie bros"

Are you being sarcastic though? It fits the definition of sarcastic but I can't find where anyone called you that.

5/27/2020 12:19:15 PM

yeah i hear ya guys, but why isn't she using the term? why didn't her lawyer? why isn't the media?

why do i just see it here? that's all i'm trying to get to. maybe my media machines aren't diverse enough. nor are my GOP friends who send me right wing memes etc.

5/27/2020 12:21:07 PM

Prob bc rape is a much more triggering word that sets off unhelpful arguments about what is and isn't rape by bad faith actors is my guess :shrug:

5/27/2020 12:22:51 PM

God, just stop. Now right-wing memers are rape gatekeepers? gtfo

5/27/2020 12:22:58 PM

Awesome strawman!!

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 12:25 PM. Reason : ^^ great I'm happy TWW can keep it real then ]

5/27/2020 12:24:44 PM

To be the person who won that superlative I'm not sure you deserve it. Why even bring up your right-wing friends? You can't claim strawman after bringing irrelevant data into a discussion to begin with.

My comment therefore cannot be a strawman since it was pointing out this absurdity first.

Again, stfu.

5/27/2020 12:29:52 PM

I mean maybe you should examine why it makes you upset that the term "rape" is used. People that don't believe the accusation shouldn't care whether it's rape or sexual assault. Seems like the only reason it would matter is if someone still has a scrap of worry that it's true but wants to feel OK voting for the guy, but perhaps I'm just projecting.


Oh lol I know he will spend days calling me a post stalker in chatterbox now, but I searched "rape" and it looks like the first person to use that term, repeatedly, about this case: bbehe back in late April. Bbehe is a Bernie bro.

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 12:34 PM. Reason : 3]

5/27/2020 12:31:06 PM

It was a weird post he made. This is all damage control. He's an intelligent mod and knows better.

5/27/2020 12:32:48 PM

I'm not upset bro.

And I'm not voting for someone I'm voting against someone else.

5/27/2020 12:32:53 PM

Let's just all agree to not be gross when it's finally laid to rest.

5/27/2020 12:34:08 PM

Maybe I misread the tone but the quote boxing of the pedantic made you seem pretty upset to me....

Not to mention the "Bernie bros" complaint


And if Biden came out tomorrow and said it's all true, would you be screaming for him to step down? If he didn't would you feel disgusting voting for him?

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 12:37 PM. Reason : E]

5/27/2020 12:36:41 PM

maybe I was channeling the bernie bros

they're an upset bunch

i voted for bernie twice but don't think that qualifies me for bernie bro territory.

5/27/2020 12:39:07 PM

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"And if Biden came out tomorrow and said it's all true, would you be screaming for him to step down?"

I'm not much of a screamer, but I would hope the DNC would make a change. It's not like we have much influence in the matter.

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 12:40 PM. Reason : hell that could be a best case scenario given joe is obviously 4 years late to this party]

[Edited on May 27, 2020 at 1:01 PM. Reason : vv ubet]

5/27/2020 12:39:52 PM

If Biden said it was true, or there was evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, i would also expect and call for the DNC to do something and he step down.

5/27/2020 12:44:37 PM

^, ^^ thanks for answering

5/27/2020 12:46:24 PM

if they pick Klobuchar as VP in the wake of recent events...

https://www.apmreports.org/story/2019/03/25/amy-klobuchar-police-hennepin-county-prosecutor

5/27/2020 11:36:11 PM

isn't kamala in the lead?

5/28/2020 11:25:07 AM

there is no lead

only dumb speculation

[Edited on May 28, 2020 at 11:40 AM. Reason : .]

5/28/2020 11:27:06 AM

I still hope it'll be Duckworth

5/28/2020 12:54:14 PM

^^ look here CNN has a list it's official

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/politics/biden-vp-kamala-harris-amy-klobuchar-elizabeth-warren/index.html

5/28/2020 1:22:51 PM

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" Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large"

5/28/2020 1:27:11 PM

I think he was joking?

5/28/2020 1:43:19 PM

yeah i thought it would be obvious

[Edited on May 28, 2020 at 2:05 PM. Reason : ]

5/28/2020 2:05:17 PM

I don’t think you originally were and used ^^ as a crutch, but oh well

5/28/2020 3:39:06 PM

nope was said for the lols - "it's official"

guess i coulda dropped a few !!!s to really hammer it home

5/28/2020 3:40:49 PM

I was battling synapse pretty good yesterday and would have loved an easy victory, but I thought it was pretty obvious. The link doesn't even pretend to be official, the lede is pretty directly "I think it should be one of these people."

5/28/2020 4:03:58 PM

I think he blindly googled VP ranking to back up his initial claim and linked to it after seeing that list had her number one and cheekily added the “it’s official”

[Edited on May 28, 2020 at 4:31 PM. Reason : .]

5/28/2020 4:30:34 PM

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"I think he blindly googled VP ranking to back up his initial claim"

naw im mostly in agreement with you and was in fact joking, but do feel she is best positioned as a person of color and was just running for president herself so people know her to come degree (and she doesn't come with much baggage the GOP can hit her/Biden with)

5/28/2020 6:57:22 PM