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afripino
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wow...the fragility is strong with this one.

5/31/2017 2:07:29 PM

thegoodlife3
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

6/4/2017 1:54:44 PM

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Ah yes "the Atlantic"... a great source for those who want to be brainwashed by leftist propaganda. Why read news when you can read DNC propaganda?

6/4/2017 2:35:07 PM

Dentaldamn
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Got any sweet geocities sites you can share?

6/4/2017 3:42:04 PM

thegoodlife3
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absolutely love the fact the Durham monument came down so easily because most Confederate monuments were massed produced and built cheaply

8/15/2017 1:04:23 AM

LoneSnark
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Frugality is a southern thing, after-all

8/15/2017 10:16:27 AM

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politics aside, this gif is unintentionally hilarious



[Edited on August 15, 2017 at 11:25 AM. Reason : v lmao]

8/15/2017 10:56:57 AM

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This made me chuckle

8/15/2017 11:24:02 AM

Cherokee
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That is great

[Edited on August 15, 2017 at 11:42 AM. Reason : a]

8/15/2017 11:42:03 AM

thegoodlife3
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http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article31123988.html

8/15/2017 1:03:49 PM

thegoodlife3
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http://www.wral.com/the-latest-public-weighs-in-on-moving-confederate-monuments/17432681/

worth watching

3/21/2018 4:56:11 PM

afripino
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just create a confederate museum so all the "southern non-racists" can gather there.

3/22/2018 11:01:10 AM

HaLo
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Well...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/20/us/unc-silent-sam-confederate-statue/index.html

8/20/2018 10:52:58 PM

thegoodlife3
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hell yes

good on those who took part

8/20/2018 10:55:07 PM

AndyMac
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Wonder what the Inside Carolina forums have to say about this?

8/20/2018 11:46:27 PM

Dentaldamn
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Are there any statues of Sherman in Atlanta? Serious question.

8/21/2018 7:19:43 AM

tower
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when are they changing the name "Tar Heels"

8/21/2018 8:01:27 AM

marko
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I hope the Wal-Mart contingency remembers come basketball season that they're supposed to be BOYCOTTING THAT LIBERAL SKOOL

8/21/2018 9:35:18 AM

adultswim
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millennials are DESTROYING the confederate statue industry

8/21/2018 10:36:43 AM

NyM410
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I bet the WRAL comments on this are bananas.

8/21/2018 10:43:48 AM

Bullet
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^In a little over 12 hours, it's garnered 147 comments. I don't think I've seen that many before.

8/21/2018 10:50:20 AM

thegoodlife3
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http://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/status/1031739151094308864

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"In case you’re wondering why the #SilentSam statue needed to come down — other than the obvious reason that it was a monument to treason — here is an excerpt from the speech given at its dedication in 1913"


8/21/2018 11:02:54 AM

NyM410
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If that person didn’t malign a fair southern belle she wouldn’t have gotten horse whipped, am I right?

8/21/2018 11:48:56 AM

dtownral
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eleusis will be here soon to explain why it was justified

8/21/2018 12:02:03 PM

thegoodlife3
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"Former Gov. Pat McCrory compares Silent Sam vandals to Nazi book-burners"


https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article217068940.html

what a piece of shit

8/21/2018 2:44:23 PM

mkcarter
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heritage not hate amirite

8/21/2018 2:54:51 PM

aaronburro
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I'm looking forward to left's backpedaling on this when white supremacists start tearing down statues of MLK. Because that's precisely where this is headed.

8/22/2018 12:30:48 AM

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^why would the left need to backpedal on this?

One is a monument to liberation and equality in the face of decades of racial struggle.

The other is a monument to preserving oppression and strict racial hierarchies.


Only a drooling, gelatinous-brained simpleton would see these two symbols as somehow being morally or symbolically equivalent.

8/22/2018 2:47:13 AM

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In all fairness, he did say white supremacists, which is the same thing as
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"a drooling, gelatinous-brained simpleton"
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8/22/2018 7:54:21 AM

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That sounds like a great argument for why the state should tear those statues down. It's a half-assed attempt at a moral argument for the protestors doing it, though. And it's not even remotely a valid legal argument. We're not talking about the state; we're talking about two groups of protestors tearing down statues. They are doing an identical act. Their motivations are irrelevant.

The left is trying to make the argument that it's OK to for protestors to be violent and destroy things if they think their cause is suitably just. Well, guess what? I'm pretty certain that white supremacists scumbags think their cause is just. They are wrong, but that's their viewpoint. I think it's pretty dangerous to leave it up to protestors to decide if their cause is good enough to allow violence and the destruction of property.

Of course, you are going to backpedal and say "but no, my cause REALLY is just." Which is nothing more than a slightly more complex version of "it's OK if I do it, because I'm right." That's hypocrisy. It's morally bankrupt reasoning. It's what I would expect from a five year old, not from someone with a supposedly fully-developed prefrontal cortex.

Moreover, while you want to draw the distinction between "just" and "unjust" protests, the government can't. It's either legal, or it's not. To do otherwise would be a blatant Constitutional violation. The government can't selectively enforce laws based on the viewpoint of the person in question. If the left allows this without prosecution, it opens the door to other protestors tearing down the statues of civil rights icons.

8/22/2018 8:19:30 AM

FroshKiller
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Don't worry about no MLK statue. PROUD BOYS are too afraid of antifa to try that shit.

8/22/2018 8:22:02 AM

dtownral
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lmao watching aaronburro try to chew his way through this moral dilemma

8/22/2018 9:29:32 AM

dtownral
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It was a well executed plan including intentionally distracting the cops to get them away from the statue:

https://vimeo.com/285959997
Silenced Sam
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"Silent Sam was put up in 1913 - almost 50 years after the Civil War. Below are parts of the dedication speech by Julian Carr.

We made a video about the massive protest last year that was met with overwhelming force by the police vimeo.com/231021574. . This year they had clearly been ordered to stand down and simply try to make sure no one got hurt while also trying to save face with the larger university system that wanted it up. Last year there were bollards and zip ties- This year there was waiting. Last year the University spent 400,000 dollars to protect the statue. It was time for it to come down a long time ago.

"One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady
The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God."

Maya Little is the speaker- she is going to trial in October for defacing the statue earlier this year."

8/22/2018 9:52:48 AM

adultswim
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^^^^
Tearing down a monument to racism is not morally equivalent to tearing down a monument against racism.

If racists want to tear down a statue of MLK, they're welcome to do it, but the backlash would be incredible.

This statue was protested for years and government failed to act, so the people took it into their own hands. It was an illegal, but extremely moral act.

BTW, did you have a problem with this, burro?



[Edited on August 22, 2018 at 11:10 AM. Reason : .]

8/22/2018 11:09:47 AM

JesusHChrist
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"I think it's pretty dangerous to leave it up to protestors to decide if their cause is good enough to allow violence and the destruction of property...Of course, you are going to backpedal and say "but no, my cause REALLY is just.""



No, I'm not going to backpedal. I'm simply going to point out that destroying a monument is not violent. It is not an act of violence. Silent Sam is not a real human. It is simply a chintzy piece of garbage that was put up to scare and intimidate an entire race of people. It's not a real human, it's just property.


You know what was violent? Subjecting an entire race of people to slavery and racial apartheid for decades and then putting up a monument to constantly remind them of their second class status as lesser humans. That was violent. Giving greater legal protection to a piece of shit statue rather than an entire group of citizens is violent. Knocking that shit down is not.

8/22/2018 11:37:15 AM

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"They are doing an identical act. Their motivations are irrelevant."


The brain rot necessary to make a statement like this

8/22/2018 1:08:41 PM

Bullet
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Well, as far as vandalism and the law goes, he's got a point.... but you gotta break a few egg yolks to make an omelet (or whatever)

8/22/2018 1:14:07 PM

adultswim
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lol no he doesn't. civil disobedience is literally a founding principle of this country.

8/22/2018 1:21:02 PM

dtownral
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someone on twitter recently had a twitter poll asking about opinions on the boston tea party then the next day asked if vandalizing property was ever a justified means of protest, the results were hilarious but i can't find it now

8/22/2018 1:25:21 PM

Bullet
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^^That's a pretty slippery slope

[Edited on August 22, 2018 at 1:27 PM. Reason : ]

8/22/2018 1:27:33 PM

adultswim
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no, it's not, it's a natural right of humans

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"If racists want to tear down a statue of MLK, they're welcome to do it, but the backlash would be incredible."

8/22/2018 1:41:12 PM

Bullet
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So you're saying it doesn't qualify as vandalism, which is against the law? Who decides if civil disobedience is justified for a specific situation?

Is it only limited to statues in public places? What about private property? What about paintings? What about buildings named after slaveowners?

(i'm not condemning the action, i'm just wandering how you can say that it's not vandalism.)

[Edited on August 22, 2018 at 1:47 PM. Reason : ]

8/22/2018 1:45:28 PM

Money_Jones
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They need to put up a bunch of memorials down here celebrating the union soldiers that put down the traitors and saved the country

8/22/2018 1:46:44 PM

adultswim
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^^
Of course it's vandalism, I never said it wasn't. Civil disobedience, by definition, means breaking the law.

There are shades of gray, this isn't one of them. Don't die on this hill.

8/22/2018 1:52:19 PM

Bullet
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I don't know what hill you're referring to and I don't know what you're arguing... i said he had a point in that it was vandalism and illegal (and the motivation is irrelevant, as far as the law goes). You seem to agree.

[Edited on August 22, 2018 at 2:00 PM. Reason : ]

8/22/2018 1:58:30 PM

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8/22/2018 2:03:24 PM

dtownral
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Quote :
"i said he had a point in that it was vandalism and illegal (and the motivation is irrelevant, as far as the law goes). You seem to agree."


the discussion wasn't about legality, which is why your post was confusing, it was about morality

(actually if you thought it was about legality then i don't understand your slippery slope comment)

[Edited on August 22, 2018 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

8/22/2018 2:08:49 PM

Mr. Joshua
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Oooh, I've got one: what if the students who pulled it down were all in blackface?

8/22/2018 2:10:09 PM

dtownral
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ooh ooh here's a better one for aaronburro- what if the statue is in bad condition and is going to fall on a group of people, but you can pull it down so it only falls on one person?!

8/22/2018 2:12:01 PM

Bullet
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Sorry, i was talking about it being identical in the eyes of the law ("...as far as vandalism and the law goes..."), not morality of the action. Carry on.

8/22/2018 2:14:10 PM

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